My Advice To Beginner/Intermediate Players

[Dtony]

The best way to practice and improve does not consist of casual matches.

Go to battle hub where the majority of players are master rank.

You will get bodied but taking from my experience, it was worth it.

Most players playing a lower rank will quit after one or two matches because they get bored.

if you can find one willing to play sets with you, take the opportunity and continue playing regardless of losses.

battle hub for you should be to improve, you dont have to win.

[ShadowSplit]

The only time I wouldn't mind being beaten severely is real life martial arts. For games, being demolished won't improve one's game. Especially with beginners.

[Dtony]

Originally posted by ShadowSplit:

The only time I wouldn't mind being beaten severely is real life martial arts. For games, being demolished won't improve one's game. Especially with beginners.

you would notice the improvement when you go back to ranked

[ShadowSplit]

Originally posted by Dtony:

Originally posted by ShadowSplit:

The only time I wouldn't mind being beaten severely is real life martial arts. For games, being demolished won't improve one's game. Especially with beginners.

you would notice the improvement when you go back to ranked

I don't play ranked anymore.

[Peddie]

The other day I saw a Bronze Ryu who was 0-22 against a Master Guile and still going, I honestly admired the dedication.

Usually I just go for FT5 in the Hub regardless of which direction it goes, if my opponent is better than me I figure I've taken enough of their time and I have a lot to study in the replays. If I'm the one winning five times in a row I figure that my opponent going to study their replays would be a more productive use of their time than trying to keep going against me. Unless the matches are close, then I'll let them keep coming at me as often as they like.

[Dtony]

That bronze ryu is bronze no longer i bet. that is exactly the attitude it takes to improve

[Peddie]

Oh no doubt, if anything afterwards the folks in their own rank felt a lot easier. Personally I just like to fight multiple opponents for shorter sets in the Hub rather than fighting one person for 20+ matches. But if both sides are having fun who am I to complain?

[TheG]

Originally posted by Dtony:

The best way to practice and improve does not consist of casual matches.

Go to battle hub where the majority of players are master rank.

You will get bodied but taking from my experience, it was worth it.

Most players playing a lower rank will quit after one or two matches because they get bored.

if you can find one willing to play sets with you, take the opportunity and continue playing regardless of losses.

battle hub for you should be to improve, you dont have to win.

Casual is also good when you get to high plat/diamond level. The matches come much faster than BH and I seem to get more variety.

I have had some good learning in BH, but my experience is that many times you sit down with a master, and they will abuse every curb stomp mechanic they can to end the match as quickly as possible. (Juri and Bison masters are no fun, other characters are more tolerable.) It takes too much time wandering around the room and trying to find a compatible match (an equal or master willing to play neutral). I get many more matches in casual.

[Agoraphobic Meep]

Real talk, the only real advice I can ever give in good faith to someone new to street fighter is to just play and do what seems fun in the moment.

From personal experience at least, trying to speedrun your improvement, trying to fight MR players, and trying to digest every bit of info on character pressure, oki, setups, etc, all in like, your first month of playing isn't healthy.

When you're starting out, just do what sounds fun in the moment. Play casual or extreme battles or arcade mode if you're getting tired of ranked, or just take a break for however long feels comfortable.

It's much better to learn slowly and learn at your own pace than to try and constantly fight people much stronger than you, get frustrated, and most likely drop the game. It is very, very, very rare for new players to have daigo level mental and dedication to training, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[Peddie]

Originally posted by Agoraphobic Meep:

Real talk, the only real advice I can ever give in good faith to someone new to street fighter is to just play and do what seems fun in the moment.

From personal experience at least, trying to speedrun your improvement, trying to fight MR players, and trying to digest every bit of info on character pressure, oki, setups, etc, all in like, your first month of playing isn't healthy.

Goodness knows people have insisted in the past I don't play this game because I average half an hour a day, but I'll honestly take that over people who played like 2000 matches in the opening month of SF6 and now just start frowning as soon as the game is even mentioned.

There's definitely something to be said about the journey being more important than the destination. Also, y'know, not feeling obliged to get good at the game, if you're having fun in Silver or whatever, more power to you.

[Doc Holiday]

Best way to learn the game is having fun, and I'm sure Silver players won't be having any fun against Masters.

No one should torture themselves as sacrifice lambs in the BH to "learn" the game.

Just do your own path, begginers and intermediates. I recommend Ranked mostly, improving slowly, and sometimes, long sets with similar skill opponents, whether in the BH or Custom Room.

[Castyles]

Originally posted by ShadowSplit:

The only time I wouldn't mind being beaten severely is real life martial arts. For games, being demolished won't improve one's game. Especially with beginners.

Right on. Getting absolutely wrecked over and over is not only boring but can also become infuriating unless you're REALLY learning something (which pretty much doesn't happen).

Online is only about meta, flowcharts, spam and toxicity, in general.

Extreme Matches is the only chill mode of the whole game and pretty much nobody plays it. Says a lot about the FgC, as a whole.

[ShadowSplit]

Originally posted by Castyles:

Right on. Getting absolutely wrecked over and over is not only boring but can also become infuriating unless you're REALLY learning something (which pretty much doesn't happen).

Online is only about meta, flowcharts, spam and toxicity, in general.

Extreme Matches is the only chill mode of the whole game and pretty much nobody plays it. Says a lot about the FgC, as a whole.

One of the problems with strong players is that most of them are full of themselves. That kind of person can't teach anyone anything. Something like McDojo sensei.

Out of many hours in fighting games, I met maybe few (in some games tourney players) who actually taught me how to become better. These folks are outliers.

[Peddie]

Originally posted by Doc Holiday:

Best way to learn the game is having fun, and I'm sure Silver players won't be having any fun against Masters.

No one should torture themselves as sacrifice lambs in the BH to "learn" the game.

Just do your own path, begginers and intermediates. I recommend Ranked mostly, improving slowly, and sometimes, long sets with similar skill opponents, whether in the BH or Custom Room.

I dunno, back when I was in Silver I went against Masters in the hub and had a good enough time. I'm not sure where this mindset comes from that it's impossible to have fun against a far better opponent. Obviously trying to win is an unachievable goal but if you can keep a cool head you can set yourself smaller goals, just forcing them to change their default approach or game plan are considerable victories in their own right. It means you learned and adapted. And in my early days I also had a Gief who gave me some pointers on how to deal with his BS as Chun-Li. Real ones want to see others become better too because everyone benefits if the average skill level of the player pool goes up.

[Dtony]

maybe it should be saved until you get to plat 1.

I remember playing against a master cammy called obligatory agony.

I got my butt whooped but it was so much fun because he played neutral and slow. waited for me to make mistakes.

[Agoraphobic Meep]

Originally posted by Dtony:

maybe it should be saved until you get to plat 1.

I remember playing against a master cammy called obligatory agony.

I got my butt whooped but it was so much fun because he played neutral and slow. waited for me to make mistakes.

Yeah plat or diamond minimum before you fight players like that I'd say. Gold or lower and you're generally still learning basics like execution, defense, anti-airs, and overall how to properly execute your character's gameplan. You're barely even thinking about the actual gamestate, what your opponent is doing, and what reads you need to make at that level.

Masters are important when you get near that level though because you probably have execution and combos down to a degree, and now the new big learning curve comes from being able to properly adapt during rounds and provide proper counters for whatever strategy your opponent has.

You can't rely on things like spamming l. SPD oki or cammy dive kick in hopes that the opponent just doesn't know the proper answer. You have to play more grounded and actually mix up your options a bit. At that level, yeah I'd say maybe seeking out a master once or twice a week just to benchmark yourself and see how well you're doing can be smart.