Dear Bison players

[Joeycentral]

Y'all are funny and make me laugh. I find it amusing how little skill it requires for you guys to beat me in a set. I look at your profiles and notice that Bison is your highest ranked character and is your highest win rate character. As long as you are aware it is your character that carries you hard, then we are good. Just don't make the mistake of thinking you outplayed me because you didn't. My character takes skill to play, yours doesnt. So dont get it twisted. Anyways, enjoy your cheesefest wins before the character gets nerfed because it's not a matter of if, but a matter of when.

In the meantime, I will avoid ranked at all cost so I dont have this cheeseball character steal my LP.

[Joeycentral]

Originally posted by Limz:

Originally posted by Joeycentral:

Another M Bison main. Too bad you're going to have to learn how to play the game when he gets the inevitable JP nerf treatment.

And one can hope that one day you'll learn how to play the game and take accountability for your own actions and lack of skill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh4tXELGUqQ&ab_channel=SF6HighLevelReplays

You work three times as hard as a Bison player because you're mentally crippled by your own rage and irrationality that you can't see patterns and can't improve or adapt.

Sure okay, because all of us have the skillset and execution to do what the ♥♥♥♥ like Haitani and Moke can do... 🙄

[SoulReaperAxel]

Nerf bison

[-VAL-]

he may be nerfed in the future, but it won't be today and it won't be tomorrow.

[Jirai]

Buff Bison. 19fr fierce too slow, no od reversal, floaty jump which is very bad in SF6.
Nerf Bison. 2 neutral attacks being +1 on block, scissors are od...its minus 5 on block and if spaced well its kinda safe, A LOT of characters can punish it alrdy if your assessment on screen is 0.5cm wrong.

Overall:
Capcom did a very good job with Bison. He is not weak, he is not broken OD. Is he top10? Yes. So whats the problem? I mean in the end you guys are moaning about a character that is strong anyway regardless which character it is.

My cohort puts up with that and adapts. Yours?

[Limz]

Originally posted by Joeycentral:

Sure okay, because all of us have the skillset and execution to do what the ♥♥♥♥ like Haitani and Moke can do... 🙄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjqYN-RW5XM&ab_channel=SF6HighLevelReplays

According to your logic, since by pro standards Chun is near or at top 5, does that mean Naruo has to try 9 times harder than a Bison player? And 6 times harder than a Chun player?

And since Punk can beat most of them does that mean he has to try 24 times harder or something?

You're saying you don't have the skill set which is admitting that it isn't a character issue, it's a you issue.

[SoulReaperAxel]

Originally posted by Limz:

Originally posted by Joeycentral:

Sure okay, because all of us have the skillset and execution to do what the ♥♥♥♥ like Haitani and Moke can do... 🙄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjqYN-RW5XM&ab_channel=SF6HighLevelReplays

According to your logic, since by pro standards Chun is near or at top 5, does that mean Naruo has to try 9 times harder than a Bison player? And 6 times harder than a Chun player?

And since Punk can beat most of them does that mean he has to try 24 times harder or something?

You're saying you don't have the skill set which is admitting that it isn't a character issue, it's a you issue.

saying its a you issue = toxic

[fieldmarshalbonespur69]

You sir are just bad at the game.

[Grampire]

Originally posted by Limz:

Originally posted by Joeycentral:

Sure okay, because all of us have the skillset and execution to do what the ♥♥♥♥ like Haitani and Moke can do... 🙄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjqYN-RW5XM&ab_channel=SF6HighLevelReplays

According to your logic, since by pro standards Chun is near or at top 5, does that mean Naruo has to try 9 times harder than a Bison player? And 6 times harder than a Chun player?

And since Punk can beat most of them does that mean he has to try 24 times harder or something?

You're saying you don't have the skill set which is admitting that it isn't a character issue, it's a you issue.

Your argument here is basically Bison is fine if you skill up to Punk/Naruo/Haitani levels.

I don't think that's the argument you're intending to make, so let's try and discuss why Bison isn't busted instead of showing exceptional instances where he gets beat by the very best players.

[Joeycentral]

Originally posted by Limz:

Originally posted by Joeycentral:

Sure okay, because all of us have the skillset and execution to do what the ♥♥♥♥ like Haitani and Moke can do... 🙄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjqYN-RW5XM&ab_channel=SF6HighLevelReplays

According to your logic, since by pro standards Chun is near or at top 5, does that mean Naruo has to try 9 times harder than a Bison player? And 6 times harder than a Chun player?

And since Punk can beat most of them does that mean he has to try 24 times harder or something?

You're saying you don't have the skill set which is admitting that it isn't a character issue, it's a you issue.

You are literally proving my point here. Yo uare basically saying that you have to be as good as the top .0001% players in order to have no problem against Bison.

If you cannot see why your argument is regarded, then I don't think there is any helping you lol.

Originally posted by fieldmarshalbonespur69:

You sir are just bad at the game. :SF6_Delta_Cat:

Another Bison main.

[Limz]

Originally posted by Joeycentral:

You are literally proving my point here. Yo uare basically saying that you have to be as good as the top .0001% players in order to have no problem against Bison.

If you cannot see why your argument is regarded, then I don't think there is any helping you lol.

My argument disproves your 3x/more effort argument as your argument isn't universally true.

If top players aren't struggling as bad as you are, what next? Do I start showing you replays of people in master rank around 1500-1700 MR? Do I start throwing in examples of Diamond level players?

At what point will you start taking responsibility?

[Joeycentral]

Originally posted by Limz:

Originally posted by Joeycentral:

You are literally proving my point here. Yo uare basically saying that you have to be as good as the top .0001% players in order to have no problem against Bison.

If you cannot see why your argument is regarded, then I don't think there is any helping you lol.

My argument disproves your 3x/more effort argument as your argument isn't universally true.

If top players aren't struggling as bad as you are, what next? Do I start showing you replays of people in master rank around 1500-1700 MR? Do I start throwing in examples of Diamond level players?

At what point will you start taking responsibility?

Just because you can get a win against Bison doesnt mean he is fine or isnt broken. The fact he can safely throw out scissor kicks until you are burnt out is not fair. Even top players like AngryBird are saying Bison is stupid and needs to get nerfed.

Like I said, your argument is regarded AF. Luke was beatable in season 1, but he got nerfed because he was soo strong. Same with JP. People like you who insult people like me for wanting the game to be more balanced are dumb NGL.

[Limz]

Originally posted by Joeycentral:

Just because you can get a win against Bison doesnt mean he is fine or isnt broken. The fact he can safely throw out scissor kicks until you are burnt out is not fair. Even top players like AngryBird are saying Bison is stupid and needs to get nerfed.

So now top players only matter when they say something that you agree with. You know AngryBird's main complaint is about Bison HP right? It's not about scissor kick -- that is specifically a you problem.

Every character is broken. Not one character has a 50% match up across the board nor win rate across the board. So, where do you draw the line? How do you determine that your character, a top tier character by many accounts, takes 3x the effort of any other character?

Originally posted by Joeycentral:

Like I said, your argument is regarded AF. Luke was beatable in season 1, but he got nerfed because he was soo strong. Same with JP. People like you who insult people like me for wanting the game to be more balanced are dumb NGL.

I don't think there is any individual as special as you, bless your heart. The game may be 'balanced' but not in the way you like it and not in the way that you think. However, that isn't what this is about (hint: you should really keep track of your arguments). No one is arguing about balance.

Sort of like if they fixed AngryBird's complaint you would still be crying because of scissor kicks.

And you know what? None of what you're saying proves that your character takes 3x more skill and that Bison players have none. The player who beat you also beat you with other characters too.

So, again, where do you draw the line and take accountability?

[Skyfire]

Originally posted by SoulReaperAxel:

Nerf bison

Allow me to correct you there

BUFF bison

[Skyfire]

On a serious note, I'm just gonna go out and say it, the community needs to just stop being so salty, learn the matchup, if you wanna go out and say Bison is broken, show me *YOUR* replay - because, unless you do that no-one is gonna believe you, and it just proves your out here just mashing and hoping.

For the longest time I couldn't beat Luke with anyone, so I labbed out what Luke players were doing, I learned the frame data, I made punishing combos from what I discovered.

You won't just improve over night.

[GameJayRemy]

Originally posted by Joeycentral:

Originally posted by Limz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjqYN-RW5XM&ab_channel=SF6HighLevelReplays

According to your logic, since by pro standards Chun is near or at top 5, does that mean Naruo has to try 9 times harder than a Bison player? And 6 times harder than a Chun player?

And since Punk can beat most of them does that mean he has to try 24 times harder or something?

You're saying you don't have the skill set which is admitting that it isn't a character issue, it's a you issue.

You are literally proving my point here. Yo uare basically saying that you have to be as good as the top .0001% players in order to have no problem against Bison.

If you cannot see why your argument is regarded, then I don't think there is any helping you lol.

Originally posted by fieldmarshalbonespur69:

You sir are just bad at the game. :SF6_Delta_Cat:

Another Bison main.

That's not what that person was saying. I thought you were part of the long standing SF community. He showed you Jamie vs Bison, not only that but Nemo who is hands down one of the best SF players around and Nemo lost. These are people that are on a top level. If Bison is as busted as you keep saying he is, Nemo should of won with little effort.

What ever happened to

Adapt. Improve. and Overcome.

Originally posted by Joeycentral:

Just because you can get a win against Bison doesnt mean he is fine or isnt broken. The fact he can safely throw out scissor kicks until you are burnt out is not fair. .

He can't spam it like that, not unless your letting him.
You could jump punish the scissor kick.
If their spamming it, you can jab him out of it or back dash and heavy punish him.
You can't argue it's no react-able if they are literally constantly doing it, that is react-able.
But in your replay when you started this thread at least, that's not what happened to you specifically.

Originally posted by Joeycentral:

Originally posted by river:

Bison really caused serious brain damage for some ppl like this. I love that

The only one with brain damage is Bison mains like you. Go play a character that actually requires you to learn neutral and play footsies.

This is another one of your problems, you think neutral in SF6 needs to be exactly how it was in other games. Both players can be out of poke range and use DR to close the distance, so saying Bison is the only one who "Skips Neutral" just isn't true. Its a universal tool this time around.