In my opinion, modern controls are garbage and have no place in the Street Fighter series.

[Long Niar™]

The dumbing down of society and the infiltration of dumbness within terrific games such as Street Fighter 6 and similar.

'Modern controls' are terrible.

Things are all over the place, feels like a dumbed down version for slow people, similar to Injustice the weird Mortal Kombat based game without fatalities that also had a 4 button "modern control" layout with weak, strong, special, and whatever else buttons.

The buttons that should throw fireballs ends up doing stupid kicks instead :/
Nonsense.

Six buttons minimum is required at all times for all legitimate Street Fighter games.

Light punch, medium punch, heavy punch.
Light kick, medium kick, heavy kick.

Very simple.

None of this weak attack, strong attack, special attack hogwashery for slow people who like spamming random buttons instead of learning the basic minimum required of this game.

This 'modern control' layout is a farce and is bogus.
Six button minimum.
That is all.

Good day to you people.

[Castyles]

Everyone who ♥♥♥♥♥ about Modern should play Modern.

[SeeNoWeevil]

Originally posted by Hex: No Buraco Errado:

Originally posted by Tsaalyo:

Yes, fighting games typically see rapid dropoffs. It's a high skillcap, niche genre. And given that SF6's player retention has been very very good for a fighting game, it shows that most people either like Modern, or don't care about it. Admittedly it's probably way more the second one, but the point stands. Most, most, MOST people don't have any problem with Modern. They play a match or a set, they win or lose, and then they move on. So why get rid of Modern, then? Because you personally have an issue with it, because you want to be an elitist gatekeeper pining over how fighting games used to be? Nobody cares, least of all Capcom. So stop trying to gatekeep new players out of the game, and go play.

Because when you reach Master ranks you will feel robbed when you lose to a top tier character using modern controls. Modern controls in characters with dp in high level basically means you have no chance to jump and you're in a big disadvantage.

I don't feel robbed if I lose to a Modern player in Master. They outplayed me. They're playing at a disadvantage with missing moves and a big damage debuff.

[Mia Tharifa]

Originally posted by netn10:

Originally posted by Hex: No Buraco Errado:

Because when you reach Master ranks you will feel robbed when you lose to a top tier character using modern controls. Modern controls in characters with dp in high level basically means you have no chance to jump and you're in a big disadvantage.

You are projecting.
If you lose in Master rank to a modern player - sorry, they are just better than you. Not that I believe you are more than a Bronze but ok lol.

I know that because when you play this game for like 30 minutes, let alone any fighting game, you realize that motion inputs don't make the player - fundamentals do. Now take this lesson and get better, or keep on crying about the "modern players rubbing meeeeeeeeeeeee". I believe in you. Be better.

LOL. "git gud" because a player that can use one button to completely bypass execution is better than you. Winning or losing wasn't even the argument you idiot.

[my butt is erect]

Originally posted by SeeNoWeevil:

Originally posted by Hex: No Buraco Errado:

Because when you reach Master ranks you will feel robbed when you lose to a top tier character using modern controls. Modern controls in characters with dp in high level basically means you have no chance to jump and you're in a big disadvantage.

I don't feel robbed if I lose to a Modern player in Master. They outplayed me. They're playing at a disadvantage with missing moves and a big damage debuff.

And they are at an advantage in not dropping combos and reaction times. Why can neither side ever admit both sides have advantages? Every one of these topics is just third graders yelling at each other.

[Gleap]

Originally posted by Hex: No Buraco Errado:

Originally posted by netn10:

You are projecting.
If you lose in Master rank to a modern player - sorry, they are just better than you. Not that I believe you are more than a Bronze but ok lol.

I know that because when you play this game for like 30 minutes, let alone any fighting game, you realize that motion inputs don't make the player - fundamentals do. Now take this lesson and get better, or keep on crying about the "modern players rubbing meeeeeeeeeeeee". I believe in you. Be better.

LOL. "git gud" because a player that can use one button to completely bypass execution is better than you. Winning or losing wasn't even the argument you idiot.

I cant even recall the last time I saw a modern player in master rank because its a huge disadvantage. one button DP whoopity doo, I'll jump a little less and take advantage of the fact they dont have a full moveset especially overheads or good damage. one button DP does a massive 9% damage. it takes 11 consecutive dumb decisions before it costs you a round.

[Gleap]

Originally posted by Poongoolie:

Originally posted by SeeNoWeevil:

I don't feel robbed if I lose to a Modern player in Master. They outplayed me. They're playing at a disadvantage with missing moves and a big damage debuff.

And they are at an advantage in not dropping combos and reaction times. Why can neither side ever admit both sides have advantages? Every one of these topics is just third graders yelling at each other.

Reaction times sure, but all of the best modern combos are manual combos that can be dropped.

[netn10]

Originally posted by Hex: No Buraco Errado:

Originally posted by netn10:

You are projecting.
If you lose in Master rank to a modern player - sorry, they are just better than you. Not that I believe you are more than a Bronze but ok lol.

I know that because when you play this game for like 30 minutes, let alone any fighting game, you realize that motion inputs don't make the player - fundamentals do. Now take this lesson and get better, or keep on crying about the "modern players rubbing meeeeeeeeeeeee". I believe in you. Be better.

LOL. "git gud" because a player that can use one button to completely bypass execution is better than you. Winning or losing wasn't even the argument you idiot.

Yes, if you lose to someone "that can use one button to completely bypass execution" yea they are probably better than you. You know why? Two things:

1. Because YOU are also allowed to "use one button to completely bypass execution" and yet you don't do that. You can tell me about your "integrity" but we both know.
2. Because execution isn't everything. It's that simple. You can have 1 button execution and still lose every single time to someone who mastered footsies, fundamentals and knows their character and combos.

And I'll just add this, for fun:
If modern was busted, every single pro would have used it. After all, they should always use the best tech, and yet most of them aren't. Curious, isn't it? The enemy is both strong and weak, as they say.

Anyways, very fun stuff.

[Mia Tharifa]

Originally posted by netn10:

Originally posted by Hex: No Buraco Errado:

LOL. "git gud" because a player that can use one button to completely bypass execution is better than you. Winning or losing wasn't even the argument you idiot.

Yes, if you lose to someone "that can use one button to completely bypass execution" yea they are probably better than you. You know why? Two things:

1. Because YOU are also allowed to "use one button to completely bypass execution" and yet you don't do that. You can tell me about your "integrity" but we both know.
2. Because execution isn't everything. It's that simple. You can have 1 button execution and still lose every single time to someone who mastered footsies, fundamentals and knows their character and combos.

And I'll just add this, for fun:
If modern was busted, every single pro would have used it. After all, they should always use the best tech, and yet most of them aren't. Curious, isn't it? The enemy is both strong and weak, as they say.

Anyways, very fun stuff.

1- I don't do that because I'm not a lazy ♥♥♥♥♥
2- depending on the situation execution IS everything. Even pro players in tournaments can drop combos and lose everything because of it.

There's a lot of modern controls users that are FAR better than me, I don't care about being better or worst than anyone I just don't think that 20% damage reduction in situations where you have 0 effort is enough. Not to mention characters that execution are a part of their design such as Zangief or Lilly with their 360 motion, you have access to supers in neutral that classic users simply doesn't have. Isn't this an advantage? While a classic user have to telegraph it's approach for buffering Modern users can just press a button, there's a HUGE skill gap here and the same goes for DP motion for AA.

[my butt is erect]

It's delusional to think 30-year vets would immediately understand modern was better (if it was). Much less that they'd abandon what they know and change the controls they've already mastered.

I don't ever claim either is simply better. Saying pros aren't mostly using it just isn't a good argument. OF COURSE MOST PROS ARE USING CLASSIC - they've been doing it for 20+ years

[Mia Tharifa]

Originally posted by Poongoolie:

It's delusional to think 30-year vets would immediately understand modern was better (if it was). Much less that they'd abandon what they know and change the controls they've already mastered.

I don't ever claim either is simply better. Saying pros aren't mostly using it just isn't a good argument.

And the fact that some of them actually do use modern is a proof of advantage. They have been using classic controls since their childhood so why would they drop it for modern? They just want to be a part of the younger crowd? Lol

[SoulReaperAxel]

Originally posted by Castyles:

Everyone who ♥♥♥♥♥ about Modern should play Modern.

tryed Hate it

[Tsaalyo]

Originally posted by Castyles:

Everyone who ♥♥♥♥♥ about Modern should play Modern.

I'm imagining them just putting the controller down and wondering why the game isn't playing itself.

[Gleap]

Originally posted by Poongoolie:

It's delusional to think 30-year vets would immediately understand modern was better (if it was). Much less that they'd abandon what they know and change the controls they've already mastered.

I don't ever claim either is simply better. Saying pros aren't mostly using it just isn't a good argument. OF COURSE MOST PROS ARE USING CLASSIC - they've been doing it for 20+ years

And they'd mostly been using stick for 20+ years but an absolute crapton of them swapped to hitbox in a matter of weeks once people saw it in the wild.

Nearly no one at a top level thinks modern is strong. The results of the few who have adopted modern mostly say the same.

Most of them adopted modern easily enough and tried it out but found it weak. Bigbird, daigo, tokido, they all tried it and mastered it quickly enough but it was just not strong enough to compete.

Light Jab into level 3 was funny on Marisa for example, scary even. But losing quadriga/ her overhead/ and her side swapping safe jumps is just way too huge a nerf.

But even all this conversation is pointless because if it was stronger than classic so what? It's literally the default control scheme, it should be on the menu lol.

[netn10]

Originally posted by Poongoolie:

It's delusional to think 30-year vets would immediately understand modern was better (if it was). Much less that they'd abandon what they know and change the controls they've already mastered.

I don't ever claim either is simply better. Saying pros aren't mostly using it just isn't a good argument. OF COURSE MOST PROS ARE USING CLASSIC - they've been doing it for 20+ years

That's not how "being pro" works.
If and when the meta shifts - the pros adapt. This is literally what makes them pros.
It is like that with Starcraft and League of Legends, it is with Magic the Gathering and it is with every single video game that still gets updated. Heck, sometimes even with games that aren't getting any updates. Meta shifts aren't just game updates, it can also be "a new tech was found" or "this tournament's top dogs plays more X or Y".

Lets put it this way - if modern is what will get you that 1 Million dollars - you can bet every single pro would switch to modern. Every single one of them. It's almost like modern DOES NOT promise anything. How curious.

[Tsaalyo]

Originally posted by netn10:

Originally posted by Poongoolie:

It's delusional to think 30-year vets would immediately understand modern was better (if it was). Much less that they'd abandon what they know and change the controls they've already mastered.

I don't ever claim either is simply better. Saying pros aren't mostly using it just isn't a good argument. OF COURSE MOST PROS ARE USING CLASSIC - they've been doing it for 20+ years

That's not how "being pro" works.
If and when the meta shifts - the pros adapt. This is literally what makes them pros.
It is like that with Starcraft and League of Legends, it is with Magic the Gathering and it is with every single video game that still gets updated. Heck, sometimes even with games that aren't getting any updates. Meta shifts aren't just game updates, it can also be "a new tech was found" or "this tournament's top dogs plays more X or Y".

Lets put it this way - if modern is what will get you that 1 Million dollars - you can bet every single pro would switch to modern. Every single one of them. It's almost like modern DOES NOT promise anything. How curious.

Exactly. Pros aren't playing Classic "because it's the true, honest way of honor and integrity" or whatever. They're playing Classic because it's objectively stronger. If anything, Modern needs buffs.

But a select few whiners around here who lose to Modern but think they're talented say otherwise, I guess.