SF6 Ranking ("League Points") System is Sus

[Shoah Kahn]

Can someone explain the metric that dictates how people are ranked after their first ten qualifying games?

When I started playing (Man: ON -- low tier; Zangief -- low tier) we got 7/3 and 6/4 win/loss ratios, respectively. For that, I was placed in Gold; he, in Iron. This was already really sus, as a single loss dropped him two, full ranks. However, since then, I've been seeing more and crap like this --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4qIGuteHnQ

This guy, literally, mashes to a 6/4 record, and then gets put into DIAMOND as a reward! 🤨

Is there some algorithm that puts DLC character users into higher ranks -- for example, in order to make players feel that the characters they paid extra for, are better than they may actually be (like with NRS's infamously over-powered DLC characters)? Or has it to do with how much money someone spends -- I got the base game (the guy in the clip has "Premium" or above), and I never spend real world money on any of the "games as a service" crap -- are they rewarding those who spend more money?

For the points system in this game is already fundamentally worthless for anything but determining how much players grind, and/or how well they bot farm with top tier chars. -- nothing that takes place in-game affects the points awarded, other than the final result, which renders the system a joke. Even the "streak bonus" is something exclusive to the pre-Platinum tiers. In a game as busted as Street Fighter 6-Character Roster Edition is, awarding points only according to the result, is numbskullery "numberonified". If Capcom also have scummy algorithms working under the game's hood, awarding more for those who spend more, then it's not only the worst ranking system ever devised; but, the most invidious too.

NB: I don't care about the points per se, for obvious reasons; only that they are used for match-making, which directly affects one's online game experience.

[Castyles]

Shoah Kahn eredeti hozzászólása:

Is there some algorithm that puts DLC character users into higher ranks

No. I won 6/10 placement matches as Aki, without any prior knowledge of her playstyle (thus combining ranked and training into one) and got put into ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bronze.

All you have to do is answer that you're an expert, when the game asks about your skills, the first time you launch ranked mode. Then you win like 2/10 matches and gets sent straight to at least Plat 1. Lame.

[Xathras]

What you answer when they ask about your skill level is a very big factor in where you'll end up on your very first character.
After that, it seems to depend on your highest-ranked character.

I also went 6/10 with AKI and was placed Diamond 1.

[Qosmiiio]

Take off your tinfoil hat and take a couple of deep breaths.

I believe there are two main things that influence character placement. First one is the option that you selected before doing ranked at all regarding how experienced you are. If you select the higher option, you are more likely to place higher going 5-5 rather than someone who selected the lowest option and went 9-1.

The other is in regard to your highest rank on a different character. If you have a master tier character, you can go 0-10 and the lowest you'd be placed is plat 3 (if i remember correctly).

Regarding all your other wild claims - you have a pretty garbage mentality, but then again I see you constantly complaining in the MK1 discussion board so I'm not surprised you're trying to do the same over here. You and your friend didn't get placed low because of "hidden money MMR," and y'all definitely don't deserve to be higher because you play "lower tier characters."

I feel like you're just trying to farm jester awards, but please go back to MK1 if that's your goal.

[Shoah Kahn]

Castyles eredeti hozzászólása:

No. I won 6/10 placement matches as Aki, without any prior knowledge of her playstyle (thus combining ranked and training into one) and got put into ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bronze.

WUT?! 🥴

All you have to do is answer that you're an expert, when the game asks about your skills, the first time you launch ranked mode. Then you win like 2/10 matches and gets sent straight to at least Plat 1. Lame.

What in 'tardations?!... Was that question asked from the get-go / within a month or so of launch (I got the game a month after launch)?... Because I don't recall being asked that question. 🤔 At what point in the game is it asked -- before you go online, or when you boot it up for the first time? Keeping in mind, I did not go online until after I'd spent ~7 hours in WT mode unlocking second costume slots -- approx. a fortnight post-purchase.

Lastly, you have the "Premium" version, or did you buy the DLC? Do you spend money in the cash shop? Did you have an extant "Capcom I. D." prior to SF6, that you then linked to play SF6 online; or did you already have one that you'd spent money on in the past...? 🔎

Xathras eredeti hozzászólása:

What you answer when they ask about your skill level is a very big factor in where you'll end up on your very first character.

At what point in the game is that question asked?

Qosmiiio eredeti hozzászólása:

The other is in regard to your highest rank on a different character. If you have a master tier character, you can go 0-10 and the lowest you'd be placed is plat 3 (if i remember correctly).

lol... That's absurd! What's the point of the "Rank" if you effectively give it to yourself? 😂

[Xathras]

Shoah Kahn eredeti hozzászólása:

Xathras eredeti hozzászólása:

What you answer when they ask about your skill level is a very big factor in where you'll end up on your very first character.

At what point in the game is that question asked?

It should pop up the very first time you successfully queue for ranked matches on your account. It's a big window with 4 options, the top one being beginner and the bottom one being very experienced.

That said, there are probably many more factors which determine your starting rank than just that question and raw win/loss ratio. Someone who goes 6-4 losing to Silvers and winning against Bronze players will not get the same rank as someone who goes 6-4 winning against Silvers and losing to Gold players. You probably ranked higher because you were beating higher level players, not 'just' because you got 1 more victory during placement matches.

Comparing this to the DSP vid you linked, his placement matches where he went 5-5 were primarily against Diamond players and he finally lost to a Master-ranked Manon. He was obviously getting Diamond 1, which is the highest placement rank.

[Nichole24]

I've qualified with every character in the game and in 95% of situations, the rankings make sense relative to the end of the qualifiers. If I end the qualifiers beating high plats or diamonds I end up in diamond 1. If I do really poorly in platinum, I end up in gold, etc.

There have been maybe one or two characters where I was confused by my ending placement but I think its because of win or lose streaks during qualifiers.

[Shoah Kahn]

Xathras eredeti hozzászólása:

That said, there are probably many more factors which determine your starting rank than just that question and raw win/loss ratio. Someone who goes 6-4 losing to Silvers and winning against Bronze players will not get the same rank as someone who goes 6-4 winning against Silvers and losing to Gold players. You probably ranked higher because you were beating higher level players, not 'just' because you got 1 more victory during placement matches.

If that's true for the first, ten "qualifying" matches, why isn't it taken into account later when the player rank is fixed?... Why doesn't losing against someone in a lower rank tier cost more points than visa-versa, and why doesn't winning against those above a player award more points than against those below? Also, why would a qualifying player who, for all the game knows, has never played before, be put up against Master rankers (happened in the attached video above), while someone fixed in lower Diamond or Platinum, who'd have had much more game time, cannot be matched with anyone ±2 stars outside their rank? That's dumb, and none of it makes much sense to me, unless one incorporates some non-gameplay related shenanigans, such as I cited earlier...

Either they award points based on who you play against, the character match-ups and, ideally, the in-game goings on (kind off like ticking of background mission objectives during a fight), or bust. For if merely selecting that "experitised" level at the beginning (something I have no recollection of doing) heavily influences the starting rank / points allotment -- something that can take hundreds, if not thousands of games to then bridge -- and then, from there on in, nothing but the win/loss record is taken into account for awarding points (with even win-streak points compounding dismissed post-Platinum), the entire system is flawed. Indeed, when taken in the context of this system directly affecting match-making, it's gravely flawed at that.

[CHAO$$$]

why are you crying about initial league placement?
It literally doesnt mean anything.

If you play like a diamond you can be diamond in a single day.

How is being ranked higher to start better?
Just means if you do get misplaced youll be miserable for the next 100 matches.

Because of the winstreak system below plat the game pushes you so hard into plat that you can start in iron and still be plat in like an hour as long as you dont lose (which you shouldnt if you are actually super mega good)

Even in plat you still get pushed upwards since wins award way more than losses.

As long as you dont lose significantly more than you win this game is designed to push you into diamond no matter what.

[Shoah Kahn]

CHAO$$$ eredeti hozzászólása:

If you play like a diamond you can be diamond in a single day.

That's not true unless you're playing for hours on end -- i.e., grind (a fighting!) -- which I cannot stomach, not want to waste my finite life on.

Frankly, I'd be perfectly happy to erase all my rank / points, and leave the display reading "*****" / "00000", if I could be randomly matched with players of any rank... Kind of like a "special fight" encounters in versus-CPU arcade modes, that would pop up from time to time (think: "hidden" NoobSaibot in older MK games; "Rival Battles" in SFV, or Akuma in SSF2T). I'd even settle for one-off, three-round battles, without a re-match option... Just as long as I could broaden the player base encountered to as wide as possible. It's not like the system has any integrity to begin with -- allowing for semi-auto control schemes in the same "league" as tradition inputs... It's a joke.

Moreover, what is the point of cross-play when the game uses other metrics to heavily restrict how match-making works? There are already filters in place for connection quality, and even cross-play functionality itself -- why layer points / rank on top of those restrictions? The very fact that the game allows players to choose their "expertise" from get-go -- effectively, putting themselves in whatever purported skill tier they like -- makes all the subsequent restrictions utterly asinine. Why can't players choose between having a recorded "rank", or simply playing without rank restrictions? It's nonsensical and anathema to game longevity.

As far as I can see, the current points system is either ridiculously ill-thought-out (less likely, given it's the third time SF has has a "league points" system), or is simply nothing but a thinly veiled grind wall put in place to artificially boost / maintain online activity (most likely, given that's exactly what WT mode and "events" are there for)[/i].

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Castyles eredeti hozzászólása:

Shoah Kahn eredeti hozzászólása:

Is there some algorithm that puts DLC character users into higher ranks

No. I won 6/10 placement matches as Aki, without any prior knowledge of her playstyle (thus combining ranked and training into one) and got put into ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bronze.

All you have to do is answer that you're an expert, when the game asks about your skills, the first time you launch ranked mode. Then you win like 2/10 matches and gets sent straight to at least Plat 1. Lame.

I won 8/10 of my placement as her. the last two I beat were platinum 2 and it still placed me at gold 3 lmao

[Jamal The Titan]

oooh. So I screwed myself, huh. I chose beginner, went 8/10 and got put in bronze. Luckily a quick win streak immediately put me in plat 1. I'll have to remember this thread when I start up my secondary account.

[Marcuryan]

If you already have a character in "Master", the minimum you can get for a new character is "Diamond"; even if you lose all the MD10 fights.

A novice player will probably never go beyond "Platinum" after an MD10.

[FromChaosTheory]

I haven't even seen a player below gold 5 since the game launched. It has to do with your first answer and your highest character rank.

[GameJayRemy]

On your first character, it depends which option you pick and placments
On any character after that, it depends on your other character ranks and your placement matches.

JP was the second character I picked, Juri was the first.
Juri I hit Gold something and ranked to plat 2 I wanna say.
I did worse with JPs placments and got put into silver I think. I tried him just based on his design with no real lab work. Then I actually messed with him and was plat 5 after about 2 weeks.

I took a break a came back, I had Aki in silver. Decided to try her again because she seems fun and I just wasn't doing well before. It took me two days to get her to plat 1. And those weren't long sessions. I had a somewhere around a 14 game win streak and was one match away from plat I think. Maybe two. After another two days she was in plat 3.

I have a lot of the cast placed by the time Ed came out, I have only a hand full of challengers left. I've had 3 characters in diamond 1, JP, Luke and Marisa, with the majority of the cast being at mid - high plat. ED I think is in gold.

Bison is the first character I've done any placements for in a while.
My first match was against a gold 5 player. Won 2 - all rounds
My second was against a plat 2 player. Won 2 - all rounds = 4 total
My third was against a diamond 2 player. Won 2 - all but 1 round = 6 total wins
My fourth was against a diamond 5 player. Lose 2 - won 2 rounds = 6 wins
My last set was against a Challenger, who ended up placing in diamond 1, they won the first match and I won the second match for a total of 7 wins and 3 loses
I placed in Diamond 2

[Cumbusted]

When you first load up the game it'll ask you where you think you are skill-wise.

If you say expert it'll pin you against high rank people for your qualifiers, from there every character you rank will make an average overall rank for your profile. I.E. if you have most of your cast on Gold (that would be me) you'll have a minimum of high Silver/mid Gold (unless you do really bad). I did really well with my Manon and got put immediately into Gold 5, would've been Diamond if I hadn't run into a really good Koomer cos I don't know how to deal with him using Manon.

I don't think it's that deep. I also don't know why so much stock is put into this system, if you play really well you'll make it up really quickly with a decent streak. You get multipliers for streaks. I just don't get why people get this bitter about inconsequential things.