What is the point of making Zangief so weak?

[Sven]

All his grabs are slower than any other character, he has almost no armored moves, even his taps are too slow to defend yourself. Even his super Siberian express has only one armor.

Am I missing something or is he just purposefully made to lose.

[Ahriman]

Originally posted by Sven:

Originally posted by Red Eyes Kagura:

What idiot even says Gief isn't scary? he has been since day 1 of sf2!

I mean it should be impossible for Zangief to be pinned on the wall. People should be backing up constantly. But as soon as Zangief is pinned it’s game over. No other games have that weakness with grapplers.

then you don't play alot of games.

[Peddie]

It feels like an unrealistic expectation to hope a grappler to be uncornerable no matter how many mistakes the user makes. If the opponent notices you're approachable, they will approach.

[Sven]

Originally posted by Ahriman:

Originally posted by Sven:

I mean it should be impossible for Zangief to be pinned on the wall. People should be backing up constantly. But as soon as Zangief is pinned it’s game over. No other games have that weakness with grapplers.

then you don't play alot of games.

Potemkin, King, Jack, Shermie, T Hawk. Try being constructive instead of just trying to insult people.

[Sven]

Originally posted by Peddie:

It feels like an unrealistic expectation to hope a grappler to be uncornerable no matter how many mistakes the user makes. If the opponent notices you're approachable, they will approach.

The point is there is no neutral counter for Zangief. Anyone with good timing will always pin a Zangief. He needs at least one neutral that is as fast as everyone else.

It has nothing to do with not playing well. Bad grabs or reads are a different story.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by Sven:

Originally posted by Peddie:

It feels like an unrealistic expectation to hope a grappler to be uncornerable no matter how many mistakes the user makes. If the opponent notices you're approachable, they will approach.

The point is there is no neutral counter for Zangief. Anyone with good timing will always pin a Zangief. He needs at least one neutral that is as fast as everyone else.

Zangief and Dhalsim have similar weakness. Both have drive reversal what is an essential tool for these two.

Sure, it’s not great but not the end of the world. Zangief may be the weakest (there must be one) but he is not a total unplayable trash in my opinion.

[Sighcose]

Originally posted by C1REX-PL:

Originally posted by Sven:

The point is there is no neutral counter for Zangief. Anyone with good timing will always pin a Zangief. He needs at least one neutral that is as fast as everyone else.

Zangief and Dhalsim have similar weakness. Both have drive reversal what is an essential tool for these two.

Sure, it’s not great but not the end of the world. Zangief may be the weakest (there must be one) but he is not a total unplayable trash in my opinion.

Well said. Weak as far who the competition is, but still playable and personally my favorite. I love the volatility and seeing my opponents mental stack get bigger when I have super 3 on the menu.

[Jerry]

If they made it so that lariat hit on both sides and his level 1 is no longer the most unusable garbage super in the game he'd be perfectly fine. Grapplers in SF will eternally be low tier due to them needing a smaller toolkit for balancing purposes, but it means that in the end they'll feel amazing succeed with.

[timemystic]

he's strong, requires less guesses. Work on your wakeup options. Btw you probably suck.

[DUKAPb]

He medium or low tier. Super 1 and 2 - too slow. Only for combo.
He very bad when he in corner and under heavy pressing by high tier fighters (ken or jury especcially).

Matchup against JP or dhalsim - very unfair for him. Maybe against aki too but not sure now.

[okey]

The worst thing about the grapplers in this game is that they're all bad in similar ways. If you don't like Zangief, you probably aren't going to like Lily or Manon either.

[ElMaestro]

Gief has nothing to escape the corner. No oki ex SPD or EX lariat. You need to read the future and use super 2 or 3 carefully. Fun fact, Super 2 cannot counter the light normal input, making it even riskier to use. Another fun fact, all characters with DP can ex DP, use super 1 or 2 to escape, and can punish every normal input used by your opponent. Why is that?
Gief has no pressure on the wall because all of his specials can be punished on block. Fun fact again, all characters that have DP have non-punishable specials like Ken, Ryu, luck. EVEN SPD reversal can't grab them. WHY IS THAT?
Gief has the worse normal attack in this game and USELESS normal (2+HP) and 1 useless special (2+2+HK) that no one uses. WHY IS THAT?
Gief has the worse super in the game super 1 and 2. Why super 2 like I said doesn't punish light normal input but all characters who have DP again can punish with their super.
His cross HP is trash. How, with his big body, sometimes he doesn't cross-up?
LARIAT is another story.
And no green hand.
It's like they don't like him. EVEN when he didn't win any major SF4 sf5 tournaments.

[DUKAPb]

Originally posted by ElMaestro:

Gief has nothing to escape the corner. No oki ex SPD or EX lariat. You need to read the future and use super 2 or 3 carefully.

You are absolute right. Especcially about corner. I always have big troubles when I am in corner... And his super 2 is soo bad. Need big changes.

What your rank for him btw?

[ElMaestro]

Originally posted by DUKAPb:

You are absolute right. Especcially about corner. I always have big troubles when I am in corner... And his super 2 is soo bad. Need big changes.

What your rank for him btw?

https://www.streetfighter.com/6/buckler/profile/2382394310
I think I will move to KEN or JP. They are the DIRTIES character.

[FAT WANZER]

Originally posted by DUKAPb:

Originally posted by ElMaestro:

Gief has nothing to escape the corner. No oki ex SPD or EX lariat. You need to read the future and use super 2 or 3 carefully.

You are absolute right. Especcially about corner. I always have big troubles when I am in corner... And his super 2 is soo bad. Need big changes.

What your rank for him btw?

other than backdash vs grab which looks funny as opponent whiff through you which other option zangeif got?Super 3?(hich ppl usually pause pressure cause i got it)

[DUKAPb]

Originally posted by ElMaestro:

https://www.streetfighter.com/6/buckler/profile/2382394310
I think I will move to KEN or JP. They are the DIRTIES character.

78k wow. Are you serious???

I am happy to see that soo strong player have the same opinion like me. Obviously that ken and jp in top tier. Thats why every second player selects them for easy wins

Originally posted by FAT WANZER:

other than backdash vs grab which looks funny as opponent whiff through you which other option zangeif got?Super 3?(hich ppl usually pause pressure cause i got it)

Backdash works good in SF5. Here - not work.