Zangief VS Dhalsim

[ElMaestro]

Developer should rely play as Zangief against dhalsim.
This match up makes NO SENSE to me.
How Zangief is suppose to deal with this.
He is slow, has nothing to dodge fireball (Lariat can, but be prepare for the counter),
DR is slow (I can understand why).
But even with his big body, why should he has the same hit-box with other character when cross-up with his down+HP? You can see him totally extend his body for the hit, but it does not.
I think we do not need a 1 year patch for this game. 6 months should be enough to patch some issue in this game.

[Purple Monkey]

Zangief can get in on Dhalsim. It's actually not *that* bad, comparatively.

Zangief vs JP is what's almost unwinnable.
The hardest match in the game. A true nightmare.

[Castyles]

The same can be said for Zangief vs any zoner, really.

In such a matchup you must have Buddha's patience and play like a shmup or just send everything to hell and be SUPER aggressive with Drive Rush, Drive Impact, armoured attacks and/or that jumping kick with both feet to keep up close and personal.

[ElMaestro]

Originally posted by Purple Monkey:

Zangief can get in on Dhalsim. It's actually not *that* bad, comparatively.

Zangief vs JP is what's almost unwinnable.
The hardest match in the game. A true nightmare.

Show me 1 game of high skill where Gief won easily against Dhalsim?
Against JP, it's not that bad, but Dhalsim, either you have drive bar or not, you will still have the BIG problem to get near him and 1 knock down he teleports away.
Dhalsim is his nightmare.

[FAT WANZER]

Originally posted by Purple Monkey:

Zangief can get in on Dhalsim. It's actually not *that* bad, comparatively.

Zangief vs JP is what's almost unwinnable.
The hardest match in the game. A true nightmare.

i nearly always lose to Dhalsim, how to get in on him when he is max height flying? my jump attack not reach

[Peddie]

This has been a tough match-up since the 90s, in Super Turbo Zangief/Dhalsim is 25/75 in Dhalsim's favour. In Alpha 3 the Red Cyclone also famously struggles against Dhalsim. And in IV and V similarly Dhalsim is considered one of Zangief's worst match-ups.

Just the inherent problem of putting a slow guy with a large frame against someone with projectiles and normals that cover most of the screen. So with this being a bad match-up for thirty years and running, the only possible fix is to just... make Zangief a different character.

[ElMaestro]

Originally posted by Peddie:

This has been a tough match-up since the 90s, in Super Turbo Zangief/Dhalsim is 25/75 in Dhalsim's favour. In Alpha 3 the Red Cyclone also famously struggles against Dhalsim. And in IV and V similarly Dhalsim is considered one of Zangief's worst match-ups.

Just the inherent problem of putting a slow guy with a large frame against someone with projectiles and normals that cover most of the screen. So with this being a bad match-up for thirty years and running, the only possible fix is to just... make Zangief a different character.

Not in SF4, because he has tool to bypass fireball.

[Samvega]

Originally posted by ElMaestro:

Originally posted by Peddie:

This has been a tough match-up since the 90s, in Super Turbo Zangief/Dhalsim is 25/75 in Dhalsim's favour. In Alpha 3 the Red Cyclone also famously struggles against Dhalsim. And in IV and V similarly Dhalsim is considered one of Zangief's worst match-ups.

Just the inherent problem of putting a slow guy with a large frame against someone with projectiles and normals that cover most of the screen. So with this being a bad match-up for thirty years and running, the only possible fix is to just... make Zangief a different character.

Not in SF4, because he has tool to bypass fireball.

Does he have a tool to bypass stretchy arms?

[Peddie]

Be sure to go tell the SFIV community that they're wrong then, along with Eventhubs and Supercombo.

[DUKAPb]

Zangief vs JP - same nightmare (on my diamond rank). Infinity spam always. Especially if MODERN. Developers should play as Zangief against them both. I really want to watch it

[Samvega]

Originally posted by Peddie:

Be sure to go tell the SFIV community that they're wrong then, along with Eventhubs and Supercombo.

Yeah, Zangief's Dhalsim matchup has 57 votes and is 6:4 on eventhubs: https://www.eventhubs.com/tiers/sf4/character/zangief/

[Samvega]

Originally posted by DUKAPb:

Zangief vs JP - same nightmare (on my diamond rank). Infinity spam always. Especially if MODERN. Developers should play as Zangief against them both. I really want to watch it :SAngry:

Counterpoint: Zangief, being a grappler, should have problems against a zoner, especially a zoner as top-tier as JP.

[DUKAPb]

Originally posted by Samvega:

Counterpoint: Zangief, being a grappler, should have problems against a zoner, especially a zoner as top-tier as JP.

Zangief must be top fighter in close combat. He should not have any problems in close combat, even in corner because its his area. But what do we have now?

His grabs must be faster than other fighters. Only after it - your opinion may make sense.

[ElMaestro]

Originally posted by DUKAPb:

Zangief vs JP - same nightmare (on my diamond rank). Infinity spam always. Especially if MODERN. Developers should play as Zangief against them both. I really want to watch it :SAngry:

I can understand that.
But I won most match against JP in master rank with 1700 point. But Dhalsim is another story. You cannot jump or move forward. You are locked. Even if you get near him of lock him on wall, he can escape easily and go back to neutral.
In SF6 is impossible mission. I do not even know if gief 2+2+HK can counter Dhalsim long range HP, Mp, HK...

[DUKAPb]

Originally posted by ElMaestro:

I can understand that.
But I won most match against JP in master rank with 1700 point. But Dhalsim is another story. You cannot jump or move forward. You are locked. Even if you get near him of lock him on wall, he can escape easily and go back to neutral.
In SF6 is impossible mission. I do not even know if gief 2+2+HK can counter Dhalsim long range HP, Mp, HK...

Dhalsim is super rare fighter in my rank. I can see him only 1 time of may be ~40 games. But JP - in every 5 games. So to me your problem is not close yet

[Samvega]

Originally posted by DUKAPb:

His grabs must be faster than other fighters.

Well, they're not.