Will you drop this game for Tekken 8?

[Sandy]

Or will you stay with SF6 until the end?
Or maybe play both?

[kiteless 凧無し]

引用自 Gleap：

引用自 -Vupny-：

Ken JP and Luke alone are the imbalance of SF. Is this game balanced in SF terms? Sure. Balanced in general? Absolutely not.

Then why are there more DJ's qualified for the CPT right now than JP's?

The balance is extremely good, those 2 are at best a hair too strong and the weak characters are a hair too weak. It just feels more extreme than it is because of the nature of the game.

otherwise snake eyes wouldnt be stomping fools with gief.

As long as Ken and Jp exist in their ridiculously OP state the balance is far from good. They both ruin the game for me

Playing a character without an od reversal against Ken is pure torture because Ken can drag you 70% across the screen of a run cancel tatsu combo ender and just maul you in the corner with his OP normals, good luck escaping from the corner

JP can just kill half the cast effortlessly from across the screen, playing against him with a low mobility character? Good luck. Even if you get close to him he has great normals and the best reversal in the game, he is totally busted and zero fun to play against

[Gleap]

引用自 kiteless 凧無し：

引用自 Gleap：

Then why are there more DJ's qualified for the CPT right now than JP's?

The balance is extremely good, those 2 are at best a hair too strong and the weak characters are a hair too weak. It just feels more extreme than it is because of the nature of the game.

otherwise snake eyes wouldnt be stomping fools with gief.

As long as Ken and Jp exist in their ridiculously OP state the balance is far from good. They both ruin the game for me

Playing a character without an od reversal against Ken is pure torture because Ken can drag you 70% across the screen of a run cancel tatsu combo ender and just maul you in the corner with his OP normals, good luck escaping from the corner

JP can just kill half the cast effortlessly from across the screen, playing against him with a low mobility character? Good luck. Even if you get close to him he has great normals and the best reversal in the game, he is totally busted and zero fun to play against

You must have not played many fighting games seriously if you think Ken and JP are super broken.

[midnightgreen20]

引用自 Grampire：

引用自 -Vupny-：

Ken JP and Luke alone are the imbalance of SF. Is this game balanced in SF terms? Sure. Balanced in general? Absolutely not.

These imbalances are marginal for the average player, just like every fighting game ever made.

No fighting game is "perfectly balanced" and latching onto that concept as a valid criticism is naive and biased. People will do the same for Tekken 8 and it will be just as insane.

No, but the problem is that modern fighting games try their hardest to be "balanced" so when they ultimately fail, it's a valid criticism because they didn't accomplish their goal. If they were more honest about it by saying "We want to design fun characters," that would be a different story.

Not to mention the fact that these companies try to shake up balance in order to keep the enotsports crowd happy. If people aren't signing up for tournaments because they're potentially forced to use a character they don't like, they will more than likely never participate.

[Castyles]

Tekken died on 6, imo. From a gameplay perspective it doesn't really inovate anything.

Akuma was the best - and worst - thing to happen with 7, for example.

And now they're copying the Battle Hub instead of, I don't know, coming up with a game mode that was beloved by lots since times long past i.e Tekken Force and Scenario.

[kiteless 凧無し]

引用自 Gleap：

引用自 kiteless 凧無し：

As long as Ken and Jp exist in their ridiculously OP state the balance is far from good. They both ruin the game for me

Playing a character without an od reversal against Ken is pure torture because Ken can drag you 70% across the screen of a run cancel tatsu combo ender and just maul you in the corner with his OP normals, good luck escaping from the corner

JP can just kill half the cast effortlessly from across the screen, playing against him with a low mobility character? Good luck. Even if you get close to him he has great normals and the best reversal in the game, he is totally busted and zero fun to play against

You must have not played many fighting games seriously if you think Ken and JP are super broken.

The fact that Ken and Jp are at the top of literally every pro players tier list showcases the fact that there is no dispute over how OP these characters are

Lets not downplay them because you can fall back on SF4 vanilla sagat or some other broken character to dismiss their OP nature

引用自 Castyles：

Tekken died on 6, imo. From a gameplay perspective it doesn't really inovate anything.

Akuma was the best - and worst - thing to happen with 7, for example.

And now they're copying the Battle Hub instead of, I don't know, coming up with a game mode that was beloved by lots since times long past i.e Tekken Force and Scenario.

Akuma is absolutely loathed by tekken players, nobody will miss him in Tekken 8

Tekken's hub is actually good, SF6's is really bare bones

[Peddie]

引用自 midnightgreen20：

引用自 Grampire：

These imbalances are marginal for the average player, just like every fighting game ever made.

No fighting game is "perfectly balanced" and latching onto that concept as a valid criticism is naive and biased. People will do the same for Tekken 8 and it will be just as insane.

No, but the problem is that modern fighting games try their hardest to be "balanced" so when they ultimately fail, it's a valid criticism because they didn't accomplish their goal. If they were more honest about it by saying "We want to design fun characters," that would be a different story.

Not to mention the fact that these companies try to shake up balance in order to keep the enotsports crowd happy. If people aren't signing up for tournaments because they're potentially forced to use a character they don't like, they will more than likely never participate.

We're five months deep and there hasn't been a single balance patch yet. Are you posting from a parallel universe? And one where they use the word "balanced" even once on the Steam store page?

[Shadow78]

引用自 kiteless 凧無し：

引用自 Gleap：

You must have not played many fighting games seriously if you think Ken and JP are super broken.

The fact that Ken and Jp are at the top of literally every pro players tier list showcases the fact that there is no dispute over how OP these characters are

Lets not downplay them because you can fall back on SF4 vanilla sagat or some other broken character to dismiss their OP nature

引用自 Castyles：

Tekken died on 6, imo. From a gameplay perspective it doesn't really inovate anything.

Akuma was the best - and worst - thing to happen with 7, for example.

And now they're copying the Battle Hub instead of, I don't know, coming up with a game mode that was beloved by lots since times long past i.e Tekken Force and Scenario.

Akuma is absolutely loathed by tekken players, nobody will miss him in Tekken 8

Tekken's hub is actually good, SF6's is really bare bones

For me SF6 battle hub look better since you can even do avatar battle and play some classic games, thing that missing in tekken 8 lounge but I guess it was for budget reason they opted for xbox avatars.

Kinda miss tekken force scenario campaign since tekken 6 with the coop online, since it's back in tekken 8, they should bring the online coop again.

[JAMG]

might as well, we are not getting a patch until midyear 2024 funny angry man is coming out as dlc

[Grampire]

引用自 midnightgreen20：

引用自 Grampire：

These imbalances are marginal for the average player, just like every fighting game ever made.

No fighting game is "perfectly balanced" and latching onto that concept as a valid criticism is naive and biased. People will do the same for Tekken 8 and it will be just as insane.

No, but the problem is that modern fighting games try their hardest to be "balanced" so when they ultimately fail, it's a valid criticism because they didn't accomplish their goal. If they were more honest about it by saying "We want to design fun characters," that would be a different story.

Not to mention the fact that these companies try to shake up balance in order to keep the enotsports crowd happy. If people aren't signing up for tournaments because they're potentially forced to use a character they don't like, they will more than likely never participate.

The concept of balance is so full of nuance with so many variables that you can always come up with different criteria to support it being unbalanced.

Hell, even in something like chess you could say white and black have different enough characteristics to make them unbalanced despite the fact they have the same moves. White going first is a major benefit.

Balance is an illusion unless *everything* is completely identical. I don't think Capcom or most developers are dishonest about the notion that their games aren't perfectly balanced.

Pros are always going to pick top-tier characters and they're going to chase the money. Thankfully we're not pros and we're playing at a level where we can make nearly anyone on the roster work.

[timemystic]

引用自 midnightgreen20：

No, but the problem is that modern fighting games try their hardest to be "balanced" so when they ultimately fail, it's a valid criticism because they didn't accomplish their goal. If they were more honest about it by saying "We want to design fun characters," that would be a different story.

You have an insane take. Balance is picking up low tiers and toning down top tiers. This game in particular roster balance complaints because of the small roster 18+4 dlc in 1 year. SF5 had 16+6 dlc in 1 year. In another words, SF6 will have less characters than the prior game. (Less and less than the prior game).

Street Fighter 6 Top 64 Character Usage Stats
• JP - 12
• Ken - 10
• Luke - 7

• Dee Jay - 5 (1)
• Marisa - 5 (1)
• Chun-Li - 5
• Guile - 5
• Juri - 5

• Dhalsim - 2
• Kimberly - 2

• Blanka - 1 (1)
• Cammy - 1 (1)
• Manon - 1 (1)
• Jamie - 1
• Rashid - 1
• Zangief - 1

• E. Honda - 0
• Lily - 0
• Ryu - 0

Street Fighter 5 Top 128 Evo Character Usage
• Laura - 8
• Chun-Li - 7
• M. Bison - 7

• Alex - 6 (2)

• Guile - 5
• R. Mika - 5

• Balrog - 4 (4)
• Luke - 4 (3)
• Karin - 4 (1)
• F.A.N.G - 4 (1)
• Rashid - 4
• Urien - 4
• Zeku - 4
• Ken - 4

• Lucia - 3 (2)
• Ibuki - 3 (1)
• Vega - 3 (1)
• Dhalsim - 3
• Rose - 3
• Necalli - 3
• Cody - 3
• Birdie - 3

• E. Honda - 2 (2)
• G - 2 (1)
• Kolin - 2
• Juri - 2
• Ed - 2
• Kage - 2
• Menat - 2
• Abigail - 2
• Sakura - 2
• Cammy - 2
• Gill - 2
• Zangief - 2

• Seth - 1 (2)
• Ryu - 1
• Blanka - 1
• Oro - 1
• Sagat - 1
• Akuma - 1

• Poison - 0 (1)
• Dan - 0
• Akira - 0
• Falke - 0
• Nash - 0

[Everchosen]

I'll play both.

[midnightgreen20]

引用自 timemystic：

引用自 midnightgreen20：

No, but the problem is that modern fighting games try their hardest to be "balanced" so when they ultimately fail, it's a valid criticism because they didn't accomplish their goal. If they were more honest about it by saying "We want to design fun characters," that would be a different story.

You have an insane take. Balance is picking up low tiers and toning down top tiers. This game in particular roster balance complaints because of the small roster 18+4 dlc in 1 year. SF5 had 16+6 dlc in 1 year. In another words, SF6 will have less characters than the prior game. (Less and less than the prior game).

Street Fighter 6 Top 64 Character Usage Stats
• JP - 12
• Ken - 10
• Luke - 7

• Dee Jay - 5 (1)
• Marisa - 5 (1)
• Chun-Li - 5
• Guile - 5
• Juri - 5

• Dhalsim - 2
• Kimberly - 2

• Blanka - 1 (1)
• Cammy - 1 (1)
• Manon - 1 (1)
• Jamie - 1
• Rashid - 1
• Zangief - 1

• E. Honda - 0
• Lily - 0
• Ryu - 0

Street Fighter 5 Top 128 Evo Character Usage
• Laura - 8
• Chun-Li - 7
• M. Bison - 7

• Alex - 6 (2)

• Guile - 5
• R. Mika - 5

• Balrog - 4 (4)
• Luke - 4 (3)
• Karin - 4 (1)
• F.A.N.G - 4 (1)
• Rashid - 4
• Urien - 4
• Zeku - 4
• Ken - 4

• Lucia - 3 (2)
• Ibuki - 3 (1)
• Vega - 3 (1)
• Dhalsim - 3
• Rose - 3
• Necalli - 3
• Cody - 3
• Birdie - 3

• E. Honda - 2 (2)
• G - 2 (1)
• Kolin - 2
• Juri - 2
• Ed - 2
• Kage - 2
• Menat - 2
• Abigail - 2
• Sakura - 2
• Cammy - 2
• Gill - 2
• Zangief - 2

• Seth - 1 (2)
• Ryu - 1
• Blanka - 1
• Oro - 1
• Sagat - 1
• Akuma - 1

• Poison - 0 (1)
• Dan - 0
• Akira - 0
• Falke - 0
• Nash - 0

I don't see how what you just said addresses my post.

[tserleg1471]

I'll buy Tekken 8 if it includes a good tutorial and character guides, like GG Strive or SF6. Otherwise not worthy to spend money in T8, being happy with a good game like SF6.

[envy]

I never played tekken, only SF V and SFVI. Will check it out for sure.

[Castyles]

引用自 Lonely：

I never played tekken, only SF V and SFVI. Will check it out for sure.

You're in for tough times.

Prepare yourself for cheaters by the dozens and getting juggled to death.