Grabbing NONSENSE

[Daddy]

With Modern Controls, Drive Rushing, Armored moves, and Drive Impact,
All these Grab heavy characters are STUPID annoying.

Let me drop a 40 hit execution heavy combo and deal 30% of their HP only to accidentally get 1-button command grabbed/Ex-Grabbed and lose 40% of MY Hp in 1 second.

I don't lose to it *too* often, but I *SEE* this gameplay often.

Right up there in dealing with Modern-Zoners. -cough JP-
Feels like I'm playing Mega-Man dodging the entire match and can't afford a single mistake while he's watching his 2nd monitor on his 5th season of whatever waifu anime.

Game is more frustrating than ever.

*EDIT*: I don't need mentoring on how to win against them, as I've stated, I don't lose to it often but its annoying how low effort it is vs. everything else in this game yet it deals SO much damage.

TL;DR: Low effort, big payoff = annoying to witness

[Ahriman]

you're not losing 40% of your health with any easy input command grab.

[Daddy]

Originally posted by Ahriman:

you're not losing 40% of your health with any easy input command grab.

So a Modern-Control Zangief's EX grab isn't easy and isn't 40% hp?
On TOP of all the available new Drive Rush/Impact/Armored moves to make it even easier to grab.

[Jeff]

look up a pro for you main and save any replays against their fights with grapplers - study them. and you'll just have to accept the fact that you'll run into 6-4 or even 7-3 match-ups with your character. this is what fighting games are, learning the match-up and knowing how to win is the key, not being able to do a 40-combo.

[Jeff]

Originally posted by Kookoo:

Originally posted by Ahriman:

you're not losing 40% of your health with any easy input command grab.

So a Modern-Control Zangief's EX grab isn't easy and isn't 40% hp?
On TOP of all the available new Drive Rush/Impact/Armored moves to make it even easier to grab.

modern control users get a 20% damage nerf on specials and supers.

[goka9696]

Originally posted by Kookoo:

Originally posted by Ahriman:

you're not losing 40% of your health with any easy input command grab.

So a Modern-Control Zangief's EX grab isn't easy and isn't 40% hp?
On TOP of all the available new Drive Rush/Impact/Armored moves to make it even easier to grab.

Good players are still as capable of doing all those things on Classic controls as before.

The fact you're losing to Modern players says more about your lack of skill than anything else.

[Daddy]

Originally posted by jefusensei:

look up a pro for you main and save any replays against their fights with grapplers - study them. and you'll just have to accept the fact that you'll run into 6-4 or even 7-3 match-ups with your character. this is what fighting games are, learning the match-up and knowing how to win is the key, not being able to do a 40-combo.

The whole low-key "git gud" mentality is super E-sports enlightened and all, but some people don't have that much time to dedicate to that cause.

I have enough time to no be a button mashing scrub, but not enough to beat these cheese tactics 100% of the time by doing deep case-studies and practice.

I personally hate how much time and dedication the majority of the playerbase needs to commit in order to beat "strategies" that takes no effort or thought to execute and they get rewarded.

Me personally, like I said, I don't lose to it OFTEN, but I run into it VERY often.
Its just annoying to see and even worse when it works because you're not in sweaty 110% mode.

Meanwhile, they're probably sitting back playing with one hand and laughing with their 6-game win streak.

[Daddy]

[/quote]
modern control users get a 20% damage nerf on specials and supers. [/quote]

Yes, we all know that by now.
But that doesn't stop a Modern-Zangief EX-Grab from dropping just about 35%-40% of someone's HP because lulz.

[Daddy]

Originally posted by goka9696:

Originally posted by Kookoo:

So a Modern-Control Zangief's EX grab isn't easy and isn't 40% hp?
On TOP of all the available new Drive Rush/Impact/Armored moves to make it even easier to grab.

Good players are still as capable of doing all those things on Classic controls as before.

The fact you're losing to Modern players says more about your lack of skill than anything else.

What?
No one said its not possible or whatever you're trying to convey.

Its just annoying how accessible this low-effort cheese "strategy" is and how rewarding it can be against 80% of the playerbase that isn't a long-time E-sports aspiring pro.

Meanwhile everyone else has to do a whole lot MORE to achieve the same effect.

[TB Suzuka]

You haven't lived until you get grabbed out of your attack mid strike.

[goka9696]

Originally posted by Kookoo:

Originally posted by goka9696:

Good players are still as capable of doing all those things on Classic controls as before.

The fact you're losing to Modern players says more about your lack of skill than anything else.

What?
No one said its not possible or whatever you're trying to convey.

Its just annoying how accessible this low-effort cheese "strategy" is and how rewarding it can be against 80% of the playerbase that isn't a long-time E-sports aspiring pro.

Meanwhile everyone else has to do a whole lot MORE to achieve the same effect.

I don't know how it is for Manon, but Modern Zangief uses a SPD version with a very small range. Unless the player knows and can do the proper input for a light version with bigger range the only way you'll be getting hit is in the corner. Learning grab ranges won't take you hours, it would probably take less than 30 minutes just to go in practice and quickly check what command grabs modern versions use.

If you'd rather keep playing without practice, that's your choice, but you can't complain about it then. You're the one refusing to learn counterplay. The only option I can possibly see as reasonable is that giving a Gief consistent access to the 3 bar super, 720 one, is kinda much, but even that isn't that big of a deal.

[Daddy]

Originally posted by goka9696:

Originally posted by Kookoo:

What?
No one said its not possible or whatever you're trying to convey.

Its just annoying how accessible this low-effort cheese "strategy" is and how rewarding it can be against 80% of the playerbase that isn't a long-time E-sports aspiring pro.

Meanwhile everyone else has to do a whole lot MORE to achieve the same effect.

I don't know how it is for Manon, but Modern Zangief uses a SPD version with a very small range. Unless the player knows and can do the proper input for a light version with bigger range the only way you'll be getting hit is in the corner. Learning grab ranges won't take you hours, it would probably take less than 30 minutes just to go in practice and quickly check what command grabs modern versions use.

If you'd rather keep playing without practice, that's your choice, but you can't complain about it then. You're the one refusing to learn counterplay. The only option I can possibly see as reasonable is that giving a Gief consistent access to the 3 bar super, 720 one, is kinda much, but even that isn't that big of a deal.

Again, I'm not actually losing to Zanny that often. But I get super annoyed when I accidentally don't play at 110% capacity and get grabbed ONCE just to see him match my damage instantly

[Jayson]

I decided to mess around with Zangief using classic controls and oh my jebus he hits like a tank. I don't think modern controls break the character, I just think grapplers do a lot of damage, so you might have to change your play style for the matches even more than normal. Watch their movement, but make sure you aren't finishing strings where they have an advantage or are too close to you. Use an EX move or something to push them away if you have to. You got this!

[chosenxeno]

Stop letting them Grab you. Learn to Neutral Jump because you can see them coming.

Most important thing to remember about facing Grapplers is: They HAVE to throw you.

Take advantage of knowing they HAVE to throw you.

[thefollowingcharacters]

Its not a "Git Gud", its literally, "You need to improve". Grapplers exist, and they are allowed to be effective. If you got beat by a grappler, you need to learn why and how to change your strategy to make it harder for them to land them.

[Daddy]

Originally posted by Jayson:

I decided to mess around with Zangief using classic controls and oh my jebus he hits like a tank. I don't think modern controls break the character, I just think grapplers do a lot of damage, so you might have to change your play style for the matches even more than normal. Watch their movement, but make sure you aren't finishing strings where they have an advantage or are too close to you. Use an EX move or something to push them away if you have to. You got this!

This.
My biggest mistake was trying to finish combo-strings!
I started winning wayyy more once I stopped mid way to back up and bait a grab.

Still annoying how little effort or thought is required to dish out that kind of damage though.