Is the Game Woke?

[BigYellowOctopus]

I would argue that while the game does contain some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ woke elements, (like the Battle Hub announcer Eternity and refusal to acknowledge the male/female binary in the character creator) the game isn't ruined because of it. Sure, there may have been some Western ideological influence here from the progressive gender theorist types, but it seems like Capcom hasn't really involved any of this stuff in the story or gameplay. None of the characters have been race-swapped or turned gay, and there is zero evidence whatsoever of leftist ideologies being mentioned explicitly.

Look, I get the frustration, I hate wokeness and everything it represents as much as the next guy. But is seems to me like the Street Fighter team was playing nice with Western development consultants and met the bare minimum of wokeness that they were asked to to get this game out the door. They threw in a couple things and don't champion it at all (meaning they aren't proud of the woke stuff or see it as a moral success). Game is still gonna be great, but yea feel free to complain about the woke stuff to devs as that's the only way to get it removed.

[Bad_Conduct]

Originally posted by FleshyBB:

Originally posted by nwad:

I'm pretty sure most fighting game players oppose censorship and fake social justice propaganda in their games. They're just not willing to quit over it.

I've been to locals and stuff. People are more accepting than you think.

There's quite a few transgender players in tournaments, and has been for awhile. One dude transitioned back in SF4. I just assumed it was due to a lack of females in the community, resulting in gender changes to maintain balance. You know, like frogs.
https://wildlife.org/frogs-change-sex-even-in-natural-settings/

Originally posted by BigYellowOctopus:

I would argue that while the game does contain some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ woke elements, (like the Battle Hub announcer Eternity and refusal to acknowledge the male/female binary in the character creator) the game isn't ruined because of it. Sure, there may have been some Western ideological influence here from the progressive gender theorist types, but it seems like Capcom hasn't really involved any of this stuff in the story or gameplay. None of the characters have been race-swapped or turned gay, and there is zero evidence whatsoever of leftist ideologies being mentioned explicitly.

Look, I get the frustration, I hate wokeness and everything it represents as much as the next guy. But is seems to me like the Street Fighter team was playing nice with Western development consultants and met the bare minimum of wokeness that they were asked to to get this game out the door. They threw in a couple things and don't champion it at all (meaning they aren't proud of the woke stuff or see it as a moral success). Game is still gonna be great, but yea feel free to complain about the woke stuff to devs as that's the only way to get it removed.

If you give an inch, they'll take a mile. Look at the Harry Potter game, they tried so hard to cater and they got "review bombed" by the very people who complain about review bombing.

But the biggest thing I'm concerned about the endless seasons and DLC character trickle. Besides the complete lack of polish out of the gate, SF5 just never felt finished. It was hard to commit to playing it.

[FleshyBB]

Originally posted by Bad_Conduct:

But the biggest thing I'm concerned about the endless seasons and DLC character trickle. Besides the complete lack of polish out of the gate, SF5 just never felt finished. It was hard to commit to playing it.

I don't mind dlc, better than needing to buy new versions of the game like SF4 and Xrd. I rather have updates dlc any time.

[Wise]

Originally posted by FleshyBB:

I don't mind dlc, better than needing to buy new versions of the game like SF4 and Xrd. I rather have updates dlc any time.

You only have 18 starting characters and 4 per season. They game will end up having more DLC characters than base ones which puts the value of original purchase in question.
It would be itneresting if there was version with only multiplayer part of the game (no world tour) but this is never going to happen. They want you to spend more not less.

[FleshyBB]

Originally posted by Wise:

Originally posted by FleshyBB:

I don't mind dlc, better than needing to buy new versions of the game like SF4 and Xrd. I rather have updates dlc any time.

You only have 18 starting characters and 4 per season. They game will end up having more DLC characters than base ones which puts the value of original purchase in question.
It would be itneresting if there was version with only multiplayer part of the game (no world tour) but this is never going to happen. They want you to spend more not less.

Easy, don't suffer from fomo. Like my man's really gonna play Hakan if he gets announced.

[ShadowSplit]

Originally posted by Wise:

Obviously they can't go all in, if half of cast would be trans people would reject it, it is a matter of pushing the line slowly, the proverbial cooking the frog. So today they try to standardize F/M/H approach but next time there may only be Human option.

This one is very much true.

Originally posted by Wise:

For me there are two major pillars what woke tries to do in video games - one is the push against hot (especially busty) woman, second is push for presence of non-binary characters.

This one is also correct. The only thing I don't understand is an idea behind altering hot women or push against? In the world where social medias rule people lives, and weird beauty standards are in, why being against good looking or well developed women.
For non-binary... I believe that's just an idea because something beyond two sexes does not exist.

Originally posted by Wise:

Than you have Cammy that has smaller chest than last entry, they have excuse of going to her old design, but why the change? Well you know why.

This one I like the least. I think SFV design was superior to any previous and this one, too.
I really don't understand (tired to) why are people (Youtube, Twitter, Resetera, EventHubs, etc.) so excited by Cammy's SF6 design. Disclaimer, I do not, by any means think her design is bad. It's simply lackluster and bland.
I'm pretty sure the online meme "Cammy finally got pants" with Fiona alt kinda convinced developers to go that way. Of course complaints about her being busty also helped. I remember faintly back in 2016 how she grew significantly.

Originally posted by Wise:

Ass jiggle? it's a smoke screen. I don't believe woke is against aspects that apply to everyone - everyone has ass so everyone can have ass juggle. And they had to give audience something or they would revolt. Like I said earlier it is about moving the line slowly.

I believe you are correct for this one, too.

[Kuriishi]

Originally posted by Holografix:

You're just pushing your right wing political agenda, because of your subjective bias. You should keep your politics out of the SF6 forum.

TIL every game before 2020's was right wing political propaganda (apparently)

[ELDEN LORD]

Originally posted by Holografix:

Originally posted by BigYellowOctopus:

I'm not pushing an agenda at all. I'm telling people not to give up on the game despite some nefarious elements of an objectively awful political movement being present in the game. That's all.

there's no such thing as an "objective" viewpoint, when you keep seeing your own subjective political bias appear in games. It's literally your own interpretation, and you're just pushing your own politics in a game forum. That's not cool.

but the issue is the stuff is IN GAMES NOW. quit trying to sound smart, you are not.

[ELDEN LORD]

Originally posted by FleshyBB:

Much like the lucky chloe being too sexy in Tekken, the people complaining about wokeness with Guilty Gear or Street Fighter are just a different side of the same coin. Doubt they even play fighting games smh my head.

smh my head? lmaooo

[Dave]

Honestly... it's all I see people talk about now, but can't we just enjoy the game?

[フォルテ]

cope chud

[Schizm]

The weirdos who see woke in their cereal bowls are back again. You know its impossible to take you people seriously anymore? Anytime there is a minority, a poc, or what ever in a game you people immediately shriek "WOKE". Your arguments never amount to anything more than "these things exist in the game therefore woke" either. It comes across as if you simply don't want things you personally don't like in the games you play.

Its like the boy who cried wolf, you say "woke" at so much ♥♥♥♥ that isn't woke that even when something that is politically motivated creeps up no one can take you seriously at this point.

If the inclusion of something that you can easily ignore bothers you so much then I hate to break it to you sport.. But you are the problem, your asking things to go away because they make you feel uncomfortable. Whats the word for that I hear so often? Snowflake? The irony in it all is almost palpable.

[ELDEN LORD]

Originally posted by Holografix:

Originally posted by BigYellowOctopus:

Stop trying to gaslight me bro, I can see what you're trying to do lol. Of course there's no such thing as an "objective" viewpoint, everyone has opinions rooted in their own ideological framework. But here's the deal, I never claimed to be entirely objective in my original post. I'm addressing the people wanting to drop the game because they feel the way I do about woke political agendas being forced into the IP's we love. There's a lot of us, and I'm trying to get them to look on the bright side. What's ironic is that you are saying I'm pushing a political agenda but then you're commenting on my post that isn't addressed to you and trying to diminish my points, therefore pushing your own political agenda. Get lost. We both know you're upset people are complaining about wokeness, well sorry bud that's just how people feel. You commenting on every post isn't gonna change that.

Don't get salty because you see "wokeness" everywhere. That's not a good thing. Pushing your political agenda on a game forum is honestly ridiculous. Go to a discord or chatroom to talk about politics.

but its ok for people to push woke, oh ok, makes sense

[Schizm]

Originally posted by blinkninja1:

Originally posted by Holografix:

Don't get salty because you see "wokeness" everywhere. That's not a good thing. Pushing your political agenda on a game forum is honestly ridiculous. Go to a discord or chatroom to talk about politics.

but its ok for people to push woke, oh ok, makes sense

Define what woke is first.

[Nearlydead]

The third gender option in character select isn't woke. Imagine wanting to make a robot character (which you can) that doesn't fit a gender since it's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ robot. You can make all sorts of "gender neutral" characters without them having to be trans. But making a trans character is an option so naturally with your right-wing mentality you have to conclude that it's woke. Pretty weak.
As for Eternity, "flamboyant" men are actually a pretty common trope in japanese anime and has absolutely 0 to do with western influences.

Cammy, at least to me, as well as most other characters, looks way more attractive than in previous games. Previous games had ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up and straight-up ugly proportions most of the time.

And yes, even though you deny it, you definitely are trying to push an agenda. If you didn't, you wouldn't present your biased conclusions as facts. And then you say "but it doesn't matter 'cause the game is good", just to pretend that you actually don't care about it being woke while still feeling the need to tell everybody that it is (it's not).

[Cookie]

If a few annoying chuds want to see "wokeness" in this game (or any game for that matter) and don't buy it as a result, please don't try to stop them. SF6 will be better off without them existing in the playerbase and they get to keep their money. It's a win-win.