Question on controls

[Nickadonis]

Noob here wanting to know if I should use modern or classic controls. Modern looks easier but classic looks like it could potentially be better if I practice a lot and know what I'm doing.

[テレビダンサー]

Originally posted by Nickadonis:

Noob here wanting to know if I should use modern or classic controls. Modern looks easier but classic looks like it could potentially be better if I practice a lot and know what I'm doing.

From my testing and from what high level players are stating, It looks like Modern Controls will be the way to go at High level Tournaments, since this type of control removes the time frames to link moves/specials, and it's easy to bypass execution errors.

Sure, you might not have all the 6 primary attacks, but by managing spacing and resources, you will get the hang of it, so I will suggest you to try Modern Controls first, and when you get the hang of the gameplay, you can give Classic Controls a try to learn the timing and motions for the execution of the special moves, and the use of the 6 primary attacks as well if you want a different experience.

Stick with Modern Controls first.

[MKPsyOps]

Originally posted by Ursa the Pig:

From my testing and from what high level players are stating, It looks like Modern Controls will be the way to go at High level Tournaments, since this type of control removes the time frames to link moves/specials, and it's easy to bypass execution errors.

As a oldhead SF2 player I cant even imagine that 4 button modern controls are the way to go now at "high level tournaments".

I hear your at a 20% power reduction using Modern

I HATE being forced to use Modern in the demo.

Yuk... is all I can say. Personally I say learn Classic.

watch them remove this ♥♥♥♥ in SF7 if it is not well received and I do not think it will be.

SF3 still the best in the series so if you want to check out other SF games I do not think "Modern" is going to be optimal, in fact it will restrict you from playing any other SF games.

Yeah my bad I'm a "Modern" hater already

[テレビダンサー]

I know what you mean @MKPsyOps. I'll stick with Classic Controls on my end first since it's the familiar way to play for me since SFII, but my response was because the OP stated that he's a new player.

Sure, if the OP ever wants to play SFV, SF4, SFIII etc, Classic Controls is the only way to go, but there's no denying that Modern Controls will remove the execution barrier, and even with that 20% damage reduction, I don't really think it will be a disadvantage.

In both βs, there were a lot of players doing crazy things with Modern Controls, so it's safe to say that when the game releases, there will be an explosion of players using M Controls as well.

I'm not familiar with the Tournament scene, but I do watch some videos every now and then to get the hang of certain combos and tactics from Top players, and some are doing insane things with Modern Controls as well.

imo, I don't mind the implementaiton of Moderm Controls, sure, do they offer an advantage?, of course they do since they remove the execution barrier so no more misplaced Hadokens when you were trying to DP for example. Also, some links are way faster with Modern Controls, but again, it's about choice.

[Danny DeVito with a Gun]

If modern controls is viable, it'll be on a character by character basis. Not having access to every normal is way too big of a loss. Even characters that might be fine on modern like Ryu lose great buttons like s. MK. Classic is still going to be the main style

[MKPsyOps]

yeah my bad Im not say avoid "Modern" at all cost or anything. Honestly we dont really know yet and my worst fear is that there might be some optimal reason to play "Modern"... lol

I hope not

And I was just thinking it might also matter what platform you are playing on or controller.

If it was XBOX 360 era I would had played MODERN for sure cause that XBOX 360 D-pad was the worst ♥♥♥♥ ever.

I remember I was so stoked for SF4 on release but all I had was an xbox and that D-pad was such a pos, it wasn't worth playing when I would miss 1 DP out of 5. At the time I said forget it and just didn't care about sf4 on that garbage controller.

[Eja Shaki]

I'm new to Street Fighter as well most fighting games experience I have came from Soul Calibur 2/5/6, Smash Bros 1/2/3/4/5, and Blazeblue continuum shift extend. Of all those the games I ever got good at were SB1/2/3/4 & SC5 but online was bad so I stopped playing. I recently started Guilty Gear Strive but I've been having a lot of trouble with my fight stick and inputs it's been a real barrier to me having fun. I've been playing the SF6 demo with modern controls and an xbox/ps4 controller. With modern controls I've been able to focus on learning the rules, characters, and most importantly having fun.

To explain M controls a little from my brief experience you have 4 attack buttons each of those buttons have an additional function when pressed with <, >, or v and then you add RT or R2 into the mix and each of those inputs have the potential to perform an additional function meaning each attack button can possibly preform 8 actions depending on how you use <, >, v, or R2.

I'd say use M controls but honestly just do whatever looks fun to you. Me personally I will use modern to learn the characters and the game rules and after I've found the ones I want to main I will try to learn them on classic with my fight stick.

[FleshyBB]

Originally posted by Eja Shaki:

I'm new to Street Fighter as well most fighting games experience I have came from Soul Calibur 2/5/6, Smash Bros 1/2/3/4/5, and Blazeblue continuum shift extend. Of all those the games I ever got good at were SB1/2/3/4 & SC5 but online was bad so I stopped playing. I recently started Guilty Gear Strive but I've been having a lot of trouble with my fight stick and inputs it's been a real barrier to me having fun. I've been playing the SF6 demo with modern controls and an xbox/ps4 controller. With modern controls I've been able to focus on learning the rules, characters, and most importantly having fun.

To explain M controls a little from my brief experience you have 4 attack buttons each of those buttons have an additional function when pressed with <, >, or v and then you add RT or R2 into the mix and each of those inputs have the potential to perform an additional function meaning each attack button can possibly preform 8 actions depending on how you use <, >, v, or R2.

I'd say use M controls but honestly just do whatever looks fun to you. Me personally I will use modern to learn the characters and the game rules and after I've found the ones I want to main I will try to learn them on classic with my fight stick.

Learning a new control method is hard, stick with it though. You'll get it over time.

[Rodi]

Is the damage reduced on EVERYTHING executed with modern controls?

[テレビダンサー]

Originally posted by Rodi:

Is the damage reduced on EVERYTHING executed with modern controls?

There is a flat 20% damage reduction applied to all Modern style inputs. All Special moves and supers deal 20% less damage compared to using those exact same moves in the Classic control scheme.

[Rodi]

Originally posted by Ursa the Pig:

Originally posted by Rodi:

Is the damage reduced on EVERYTHING executed with modern controls?

There is a flat 20% damage reduction applied to all Modern style inputs. All Special moves and supers deal 20% less damage compared to using those exact same moves in the Classic control scheme.

Thanks. I see people are already discussing about the choice of controls for top level players... I am curious as well.

[FleshyBB]

Originally posted by Rodi:

Originally posted by Ursa the Pig:

There is a flat 20% damage reduction applied to all Modern style inputs. All Special moves and supers deal 20% less damage compared to using those exact same moves in the Classic control scheme.

Thanks. I see people are already discussing about the choice of controls for top level players... I am curious as well.

Jiyuna did a video stating that some top level Japanese players are switching, whether or not it pans out we don't know yet I guess.

[stun]

Originally posted by Rodi:

Is the damage reduced on EVERYTHING executed with modern controls?

No.
The damage is only reduced on things you access via the 'special' button. Normals do 100% damage. Motion inputs do 100% damage. Supers do 100% damage if you do the motion. The only difference is that 1 button supers/1 button DPs will do 80% damage.

[nobinobiboi]

classic
because it will forever stay the same more or less

I play SF3, SF4, SF5, alpha, SFxTK
tatsunoko vs capcom, marvel vs capcom
etc..
and upcoming games

Classic will always be classic, means I will have more or less always the same buttons without having to compromise and or learn a completely new way to play my fave characters..
thats the beauty of it

idk if you don't really care too much about the other games or upcoming.. maybe stick to what is easier to you

[stun]

Originally posted by Nickadonis:

Noob here wanting to know if I should use modern or classic controls. Modern looks easier but classic looks like it could potentially be better if I practice a lot and know what I'm doing.

You need to learn how to do everything on classic to use modern anyway, because e.g. the fireballs you throw at neutral will still be motion inputs and there will be times (all the time really) you want not-medium versions of specials. The missing normals are super important and modern has some really nasty gotchas for newer players (luke's cmp is assist-Medium, so if you buffer cMP->cMP early on modern it gives you EX knuckles and you explode). It's only really useful if you're familiar enough with the game to take advantage of the advantages of modern.

[Rodi]

Originally posted by nobinobiboi:

classic
because it will forever stay the same more or less

I play SF3, SF4, SF5
tatsunoko vs capcom, marvel vs capcom
etc..
and upcoming games

Classic will always be classic, means I will have more or less always the same buttons without having to compromise and or learning a completely new way to play my fave characters..
thats the beauty of it

Well since I hardly play fighting games and my skill level is more like "bottom tier" with no fave characters and no previous muscle memory, I will go with the modern controls, BUT I will practice the motion inputs for specials and supers, so I can decide on the fly whether to activate them with one button/assist combos or by doing the input motion. That is the beauty of it for me.