Is anyone else going to quit because of assisted controls?

[CDXX]

I'm done, I think. Being forced to babysit assisted players while using standard controls simply isn't fun, even when I win. I think it is kind of ridiculous that there is no optional matchmaking filter for purists, from such a traditional and long-time series. I've already filled my blocked list trying to manually filter them. If an auto filter was enabled for ranked, I'd have no complaints about assisted controls, and I'd probably stick around and buy all the DLC. But I'm just not enjoying myself currently, to the point that I'm pissed at myself for wasting money on the first DLC pass (another reminder not to preorder). I assume one isn't coming, since the lead dev said he originally wanted assisted-only, for ♥♥♥♥'s sake. Maybe I'll just take a break from fighters, until they come full-circle and start advertising difficult as if it was a new feature, like Dark Souls.

[Tsaalyo]

Escrito originalmente por doomleika:

If you lose to assisted combo you need to start looking for the program from youself.

"I only lost because he spammed the same combo over and over!!"
"So... he spammed the same combo a dozen times, and you never thought to block it?"
"REEEEEEEE"

[Mohsin_ramirez]

Escrito originalmente por Tsaalyo:

Escrito originalmente por Peddie:

I've only lost one set to modern control players so far (and partly because the opponent chose to one and done because they won with 2% HP). And I can honestly say that one loss was my own fault. Stop blaming your defeats on the control schemes or character choices of your opponents. You'll just end up on Scrubquotes otherwise. Always consider your own part in a defeat rather than going for the convenient scapegoat.

So much this. Every player to ever give me an absolute everloving smackdown, an absolute humbling, to knock me down several pegs and make me double check if my controller was even plugged in because I accomplished so little, every single one of them was a Classic player.

The ability to hit a sub-optimal three-hit combo quickly, and the ability to (arguably) hit anti-air specials more consistently, is no substitute for fundamentals. It's no substitute for positioning, footsies, and knowing what to do and when. That big orange M is just the easiest scapegoat for people who don't want to admit that they were the the second-best player in that fight.

You still haven't answered my question where you're harping on about others thinking they're good and resort to scapegoating on their losses. So here it is again:

Do you think your good at fighting games for using modern controls?

[doomleika]

Escrito originalmente por Tsaalyo:

Escrito originalmente por doomleika:

If you lose to assisted combo you need to start looking for the program from youself.

"I only lost because he spammed the same combo over and over!!"
"So... he spammed the same combo a dozen times, and you never thought to block it?"
"REEEEEEEE"

3/4 of the assisted combo are extremely unoptimized and low damage. All luke's auto combo uses OD in an bad way and this happened to every character.

[Grampire]

I have lost only a handful of sets to Modern players, and it was clear they knew what they were doing and probably could've played just as good without Modern.

In low/mid plat, Modern really feels more oppressive because it's easy to use to exploit bad offensive pressure. It makes it easy to mash out of bad blockstrings and framegraps that aren't real. It's frustrating for lower levels players getting ready to level up to intermediate play in high plat diamond. I know from experience.

Modern really checks how "real" your offense is and makes you reconfigure things, and you'll be better on the other side because you'll drop those bad habits that took you to that point.

[Tsaalyo]

Escrito originalmente por doomleika:

Escrito originalmente por Tsaalyo:

"I only lost because he spammed the same combo over and over!!"
"So... he spammed the same combo a dozen times, and you never thought to block it?"
"REEEEEEEE"

3/4 of the assisted combo are extremely unoptimized and low damage. All luke's auto combo uses OD in an bad way and this happened to every character.

One of Cammy's assisted combos is literally just two crouching punches and a Spiral Arrow. Anyone losing to that wouldn't do any better against a Classic player, lol.

[Mohsin_ramirez]

Escrito originalmente por Tsaalyo:

Escrito originalmente por doomleika:

3/4 of the assisted combo are extremely unoptimized and low damage. All luke's auto combo uses OD in an bad way and this happened to every character.

One of Cammy's assisted combos is literally just two crouching punches and a Spiral Arrow. Anyone losing to that wouldn't do any better against a Classic player, lol.

Yet. You're unable to do something so simple that you resorted to use modern?

[Rocket]

Hey OP look at post 15 for an argument.

[BaronCappuccino]

Escrito originalmente por Mohsin_ramirez:

Escrito originalmente por Tsaalyo:

One of Cammy's assisted combos is literally just two crouching punches and a Spiral Arrow. Anyone losing to that wouldn't do any better against a Classic player, lol.

Yet. You're unable to do something so simple that you resorted to use modern?

Word on the street is that people aren't or shouldn't be choosing Modern for the autocombos anyway. Modern v Classic is reaction speed v options and damage. My best offering at the moment is Modern Marisa, and I'm just in Bronze. Smashing autocombos got me placed in high Iron, and were good enough after remembering I can block too, to get me into Bronze, but that gravy train got derailed pretty quickly. If autocombos are ruining someone's day, that means I could beat them, and that's nothing anyone would want to admit to.

[Mohsin_ramirez]

Escrito originalmente por BaronCappuccino:

Escrito originalmente por Mohsin_ramirez:

Yet. You're unable to do something so simple that you resorted to use modern?

Word on the street is that people aren't or shouldn't be choosing Modern for the autocombos anyway. Modern v Classic is reaction speed v options and damage. My best offering at the moment is Modern Marisa, and I'm just in Bronze. Smashing autocombos got me placed in high Iron, and were good enough after remembering I can block too, to get me into Bronze, but that gravy train got derailed pretty quickly. If autocombos are ruining someone's day, that means I could beat them, and that's nothing anyone would want to admit to.

Even so, why would it be an issue if you were to just play against modern users as a modern user and classic players vs just classic players regardless if one is good/bad/learning/hopeless?

[BaronCappuccino]

Escrito originalmente por Mohsin_ramirez:

Escrito originalmente por BaronCappuccino:

Word on the street is that people aren't or shouldn't be choosing Modern for the autocombos anyway. Modern v Classic is reaction speed v options and damage. My best offering at the moment is Modern Marisa, and I'm just in Bronze. Smashing autocombos got me placed in high Iron, and were good enough after remembering I can block too, to get me into Bronze, but that gravy train got derailed pretty quickly. If autocombos are ruining someone's day, that means I could beat them, and that's nothing anyone would want to admit to.

Even so, why would it be an issue if you were to just play against modern users as a modern user and classic players vs just classic players regardless if one is good/bad/learning/hopeless?

Because SF6 wasn’t built as two separate games. I don’t want to say that modern and classic doubles the character roster, but the truth is closer to that than the two separate games theory. In that light, I wouldn’t want the power to filter Kens even if sometimes I want to.

[Rocket]

None of the Modern players will address the Justin Wong videos LMFAO. Strawman arguments and deflections all day.

[BaronCappuccino]

Escrito originalmente por RocketJump:

None of the Modern players will address the Justin Wong videos LMFAO. Strawman arguments and deflections all day.

Max Dood addressed the Justin Wong is broken with Modern X or Y, by suggesting we clip “with modern X or y” from that statement. As one of the greatest players in the genre, Justin Wong is broken. You don’t want or need my personal rebuttal to anything- nobody would care. Max has some clout though.

[bulldog0890]

modern just means you need to be more careful when they're in burn out cause they can easily super reversal. and jump at them less cause they'll dp consistently. but when you're at a high enough level, even classic players feel like they can do this too. so it doesn't matter all that much. and they even have reduced damaged. stop whining

[CDXX]

Escrito originalmente por RocketJump:

Modern is a bit much.

Someone with good equipment should do a video on how much more quickly one can react with a button as opposed to a motion and a button. In a non scientific way they already have, keep reading.

The outcome will be it's enough of a difference to make huge swings in a match easily.

Does that matter at Master rank? No probably not.

Does it matter at other ranks. The video would prove that it does.

Sure they lose other things. But reaction time is a really big part of the game. Modem control players won't admit that. But Justin Wong has admitted that certain characters on Modern are broken on several occasions and has posted several videos about it and he's not smurfing when he posted them either.

Modern loses things there's no doubt. But it also gains things that most ranks simply can't do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaG6-GlXci4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KJHhjh2ewQ

You can 1 button press an SPD, EX SPD, or Level 3 SPD on a whiffed limb. LOL. He shows this a LOT in the video.

Watch the whole thing, but especially look at the 5 minute mark exactly and see what happens there. Not even Snake Eyez can do that.

Yup. Everyone keeps saying I'm salty about losing. Sure, I don't have fun against when I lose, but I don't have fun when I win, either. It changes the game into something I didn't want, as those vids demonstrate. Modern players are the ones obsessed with winning/losing (hence using modern), so they can't seem to comprehend complaints that have nothing to do with losing.

[Rocket]

Escrito originalmente por BaronCappuccino:

Escrito originalmente por RocketJump:

None of the Modern players will address the Justin Wong videos LMFAO. Strawman arguments and deflections all day.

Max Dood addressed the Justin Wong is broken with Modern X or Y, by suggesting we clip “with modern X or y” from that statement. As one of the greatest players in the genre, Justin Wong is broken. You don’t want or need my personal rebuttal to anything- nobody would care. Max has some clout though.

Justin has way more experience and deserves to be taken much more seriously, as he's not only a multi-EVO winner, but a multi fighting game EVO winner, and competes and wins professionally in several games.

Maximilian Dood has never won an EVO. He has a great radio voice and a great PR team, but that doesn't make him an expert on fighting games to the level that Justin Wong is.

If Justin is saying... and much more importantly, SHOWING IN VIDEO that modern is broken, then every person here has no standing for a rebuttal. And anything Max says is just his standard "I love every fighting game they're so good and everything the company does is great!" kind of thing.

Justin Wong is playing his own ranks and he's saying Modern is broken. Max isn't the same type of person, they're not even in the same category. Justin may lean for some views from time to time, but you can watch his videos to make your own determination.

If you watch his Zangief Modern Highlight Video that I linked above, there is no question that Zangief Modern is broken.