Modern controls ruins SF6

[Kamu Da Finka]

Seriously. I have ZERO respect for anyone that can't do these simple ass inputs and drive rush combos. Anyone can do these inputs with a whopping 20 minutes a day devoted to learning them.

720 via a button press is busted AF. C'mon.

[JayTac]

Like I said, at high diamond rank, three-hit combos are not cutting it. So why wouldn't improving my combos help me?

Literally, if Modern didn't make players who can't combo better, then it would be a failed system.

[Mr. Bunce]

Not at all. It opens the genre up to more people.

[sere]

Originally posted by Mr. Bunce:

Not at all. It opens the genre up to more people.

It doesn't. It's an ill conceived crutch that hasn't been good for anything. It's the autotune of fighting games.

[Bumblescrump]

Originally posted by sere:

Originally posted by Mr. Bunce:

Not at all. It opens the genre up to more people.

It doesn't. It's an ill conceived crutch that hasn't been good for anything. It's the autotune of fighting games.

Gotta love someone who can be so wrong, but with a boatload of confidence.

[Roux]

Originally posted by sere:

Originally posted by Mr. Bunce:

Not at all. It opens the genre up to more people.

It doesn't. It's an ill conceived crutch that hasn't been good for anything. It's the autotune of fighting games.

so.. it lets less experienced artists (players) make more appealing music (land more damaging combos) without degrading the integrity of actual singers? (w/out degrading modern controls?)
Sounds like you just proved your own point wrong in the same sentence you made it.

[Peddie]

The art of making a good analogy is dying fast.

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Originally posted by Roux:

Originally posted by sere:

It doesn't. It's an ill conceived crutch that hasn't been good for anything. It's the autotune of fighting games.

so.. it lets less experienced artists (players) make more appealing music (land more damaging combos) without degrading the integrity of actual singers? (w/out degrading modern controls?)
Sounds like you just proved your own point wrong in the same sentence you made it.

Autotune is also used by very experienced yet terrible artists, and it actually does compromise a lot of talent, and make them all sound the same. It's a disposable sound with no unique identity. A crutch if you will, for people who sing like corvids swim. Almost like modern combos or something. Why is your avatar blurry? Don't you have a higher quality version of the image?

[Rin Shima]

All those people who are against an OPTION to face only classic controls is mind blowing, so much KARENS

[Thick-Six]

Originally posted by river:

Originally posted by Thick-Six:

DPs are much better than an anti-air normal, otherwise they would just be useless.

I just explained to you the fact modern can react with moves much quicker than is possible on Classic is an issue in a game where that is an extremely import part of a match and wins/losses games all the time. I also never said modern controls are stronger than classic overall, but they are in some areas and they shouldn't be in the same matchmaking pool for competitive modes like ranked.

Modern controls exist for people who struggle with inputs and thats fine but why cant they just play against others who need the same help and not play with classic users?

Its not just an Iron issue, i play at a fairly high level in ranked and its very noticeable how much better Modern users are at DPs and whiff punish supers. When you play modern Luke you literally are forced to play the most boring way possible because he can just instantly punish anything you do with level 1, Cammy is a similar situation with her level 3. You can tell when a classic user is buffering a super, but modern show no warning so you're forced to respect it the entire match and its just terrible.

That's a poor mindset.

You think it's because C control requires "more work to do" for input and you hope that they mess up or can't use any anti-moves. The game is more than just control. If you can't execute a DP to punish your opponent, maybe try practicing more. When you are already good at quickly and precisely executing your inputs, they are the same, bro.

M control is only OP in lower ranks because, in this rank, C control players still mess up their input a lot.

You could flawlessly execute DPs as fast as humanly possible and you still wont be able to match modern DPs. Nothing im talking about is skill related its a mechanical issue. A one button input is much faster than a motion input, regardless of how good you are.

Its even more obvious with supers, having to do a full super input to whiff punish is extremely hard, or you have to buffer which tells your opponent you are about to use your super, modern dont have to do that they can be perfectly still giving nothing away and instantly super on reaction to anything.

[Peddie]

Originally posted by Rin Shima:

All those people who are against an OPTION to face only classic controls is mind blowing, so much KARENS

You're the one insisting to see Street Fighter's manager over a control scheme you haven't even tried yet.

[zabloing]

Originally posted by Thick-Six:

Originally posted by Peddie:

Just manually accept matches and you get all the chances in the world to refuse matches against wi-fi users. Not wanting to fight Modern players is just scrubbery though, especially when in most ranks M loses more than C in C v M match-ups. It's easy LP. And if it costs you LP, well, you got outplayed despite you having the better control scheme. Be grateful your opponent was not using C, whether by choice or by necessity.

Its an objective advantage tho. Its physically impossible to do classic inputs at the speed of modern inputs. Modern is worse in other ways to compensate, but in a situation where a player needs to react with a super or a DP, Modern has a huge advantage in not only ease of execution but the speed of it too. They need to add 4-5 frames of delay on all modern specials/supers to balance it.

I agree.
With how Modern been dominating the competitive scene this past year, and absolutely crushing everything in ranked, it needs...hold on, i'm getting something...

Wait, what?

[カミナ]

Originally posted by Tac:

Originally posted by コツメカワウソ Asian Otter:

The people who defend modern to be logically consistent would also have to defend that. It's absurd.

I stay away from fps games dominated by controller users cheating with aim assist and I stay away from this. Simple as.

Mouse and keyboard will always have an advantage, even with slight aim assist on pad.

That is a complete BS lie. Many crossplay games are dominated by controller users.

[zabloing]

Originally posted by Rin Shima:

All those people who are against an OPTION to face only classic controls is mind blowing, so much KARENS

All I'm asking for is the O P T I O N

[Peddie]

Echoes of the Macro Man.

[Gleap]

Originally posted by zabloing:

Originally posted by Rin Shima:

All those people who are against an OPTION to face only classic controls is mind blowing, so much KARENS

All I'm asking for is the O P T I O N

All your asking for is diluting the player base for no reason beyond your own fragility.

There are modern players at tournaments that never would have come without that control scheme. That means it's been a massive success.

People crying online are just the kind of people who cry no matter what.