How to play Guile well (note: not a full-screen zoner)

[Samvega]

https://old.reddit.com/r/StreetFighter/comments/15wlncr/guiles_a_zoner_they_said_hes_a_longrange/

Throwing out sonic booms is not the way. Parry exists in this game.

[Samvega]

Originally posted by Holografix:

i like playing against Guile. I main Jaime, Blanka, Lily, Kimberly and Manon.

Guile matchups are fun because you know they're going to sonic boom, and they know you know that they're going to sonic boom. So the key is to wait until they sonic boom and then punish.

Just Flash Kick when the other character is at full screen, to assert dominance.

[Holografix]

Originally posted by Samvega:

Originally posted by Holografix:

i like playing against Guile. I main Jaime, Blanka, Lily, Kimberly and Manon.

Guile matchups are fun because you know they're going to sonic boom, and they know you know that they're going to sonic boom. So the key is to wait until they sonic boom and then punish.

Just Flash Kick when the other character is at full screen, to assert dominance.

lol classic Guile. i live to bait the wake-up flash kick.

[Everchosen]

Originally posted by Agoraphobic Meep:

Originally posted by Teddy Roosevelt:

It was never deep or complicated. At a certain point people care more about winning than the actual act of playing and it shows very clearly in their actions... I notice losing wasn't on the list of things you find fun, because it doesn't matter how the match goes, only that you win. Your ideals define you quite clearly.

Losing isn't fun, more news at 7.

Seriously Teddy, zoner matchups can be pretty fun when you take the time to learn them, so like, do that.

Zoner match ups are absolutely miserable until you you get to the point where you get in and send their asses to the shadow realm, at which point the dopamine rush is overwhelming.

Closest you can get to experiencing a high in video games without actually being high, so ultimately worth it, but damn is the lead up tedious

[♡ ❀ KnightNike ❀ ♡]

Originally posted by Danny DeVito with a Gun:

Originally posted by Samvega:

How? You get drive gauge back with each parry.

If I have the life lead, I'm not gonna care if they keep parrying my booms. I still have complete control of the screen and they need to come to me

Exactly and defensive Guile is much better than agressive if you know what you are doing and(subjective)much more fun&simple to play(I ain't got no time to learn any fancy boom loop corner combos, I'm too lazy and unskilled for that). Aggressive, rushdown Guile gives you faster results in SF VI. If you care about those, sure go ahead I'm not stopping you, but defensive Guile is better in the long run and better in longer sets imho. It just takes a lot of honing your gameplay. Street FIghter V Guile was way more aggressive, especially when he was overtuned in it a long time ago, early in the games lifespan but he was also just straight up better in that game. In this game he is bloody overrated as hell, because everyone just rushes you down and has 1 million ways to skip neutral and fireballs, unless it's a Zangief and the system mechanics are against him so bloody much it's not even funny.

You just have accept the fact that everyone will do that, channel your inner Zen to not go on tilt and on turn FRUSTRATE YOUR OPPONENT as much as bloody possible by using the screen behind you and varying your Sonic Boom - patterns/anti - airing jump - ins as well as possible. Just get the life lead and you are good to go. Like you said: Who bloody cares if they parry? You have more hp and if they twiddle their thumbs and the clock is running low, just "timer scam" with Super 2 Boom Fiesta. His Super 1 is also fantastic at making more room for you on hit to zone better. Eventually they start to respect you, because it's very costly to let Guile have more screen to work with and THEN when they start to play too safe, you ramp up the offence a little, step by step and go to more mid range gameplay. His "walking behind a light Sonic Cross" is perfect for approaching in mid range, especially if your opponent is close to a corner themselves. Guile has always been the epitome of a patience&tilt test for your opponent, but he requires a lot of fundamentals to be good with.

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Originally posted by Jack Trades:

Originally posted by Teddy Roosevelt:

When your gameplan for playing is to avoid having to play and run out the clock, how is that fun for anybody? Do you really put winning over having an engaging or entertaining match? I just dont understand people that take games so seriously. Even fighting games. I'm just trying to relax after work over here.

Watching you getting pissed while I'm casually throwing my booms IS my fun.

If your idea of fun is trying your best to make sure other people dont have fun, then i think its pretty clear what the cause of the toxicity in the game is. You are the only one actively trying to make the game less fun for others. Imagine trying to be friends in real life with somebody who does annoying things to you on purpose to make themselves happy. Not healthy at all. And whats even weirder is you are proud to be that person. I literally cant even comprehend whats its like to not understand basic empathy.

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Originally posted by Danny DeVito with a Gun:

Originally posted by Teddy Roosevelt:

It was never deep or complicated. At a certain point people care more about winning than the actual act of playing and it shows very clearly in their actions... I notice losing wasn't on the list of things you find fun, because it doesn't matter how the match goes, only that you win. Your ideals define you quite clearly.

"Your ideals define you quite clearly"

Lmao dude you don't know me. Yeah losing itself isn't fun. I'm not setting out to lose. I want to win. Wanting to win isn't a sign of an inflated ego. Winning is a positive goal. If it makes you feel better, I can still feel I had fun in a match I lost if it was a good match and got something out of it. I can still learn from a loss and be better from it. But the end goal of all of that is still to get better and win in the future. A win is a sign of the work you put in.

Play however you want. But it's a 1v1 fighting game and someone has to win. Wanting to be that person isn't a sign that all they care about is winning. Most of those pros are having fun too

"the end goal of it is to get better and win"

No, no its not. The end goal of a game is to have fun. If your choice of having fun is to try and by annoying to others until you win, then your actions and ideals speak for who you are. Actions speak louder than words.

Brian F- Noted pro and tournament winner said just a few weeks ago- "oh you must be one of those people that play for fun, Ill never go back to sf5 because getting better at it doesnt help and im not here for fun, im here to win"

literally the same ideal that most pro players have. They dont play cause its fun, they play to win. having fun is a byproduct of winning but winning is always the intention.

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Originally posted by Meepodon:

Originally posted by Teddy Roosevelt:

It was never deep or complicated. At a certain point people care more about winning than the actual act of playing and it shows very clearly in their actions... I notice losing wasn't on the list of things you find fun, because it doesn't matter how the match goes, only that you win. Your ideals define you quite clearly.

Losing isn't fun, more news at 7.

Seriously Teddy, zoner matchups can be pretty fun when you take the time to learn them, so like, do that.

Your implying i dont win my zoner matches. I have a positive win rate and i placed in diamond as gief. I win my matches enough but that doesnt make them any less tedious to deal with.

[Danny DeVito with a Gun]

Originally posted by Teddy Roosevelt:

Originally posted by Jack Trades:

Watching you getting pissed while I'm casually throwing my booms IS my fun.

If your idea of fun is trying your best to make sure other people dont have fun, then i think its pretty clear what the cause of the toxicity in the game is. :towelie: You are the only one actively trying to make the game less fun for others. Imagine trying to be friends in real life with somebody who does annoying things to you on purpose to make themselves happy. Not healthy at all. And whats even weirder is you are proud to be that person. I literally cant even comprehend whats its like to not understand basic empathy.

I think psychoanalyzing people based on what playstyle or characters they like says more about you than something preferring to win over lose a match. I hate Cammy and her playstyle, yet one of my closest friends is a Cammy main. He likes having a strong rushdown that leaves you little room to breathe. It's annoying fighting Cammy, yet him liking that playstyle doesn't reflect who he actually is.

Some people like to play slower, more reactive. Maybe they like winning through low risk/low reward pokes rather than a big combo. Maybe they like having the great screen control. Some people like the mental game of running the clock out. Why should they feel guilty for playing this way? Capcom made the character for them. There are countless characters Capcom's made. You're not gonna like every character or playstyle and that's fine

[Archiduque Motoko]

Originally posted by Teddy Roosevelt:

Originally posted by slugs89:

You'll slip up once from a ex perfect boom. That's all I need. Then you can parry all you want and I'll just let the clock run out

When your gameplan for playing is to avoid having to play and run out the clock, how is that fun for anybody? Do you really put winning over having an engaging or entertaining match? I just dont understand people that take games so seriously. Even fighting games. I'm just trying to relax after work over here.

I mean i could pick a high tier and spam hard to read 50/50s and throw loops but thats just as lame.

I think Brian F said it best when somebody in his stream asked if he would ever play sf5 again. And he said "you must be one of those people that play games for fun. I'm playing to win."

Playing in the most optimal path for winning is all that matters to these hyper competitive players. Even if that means playing a very boring match, or several. The only thing they consider fun is winning and anything else is bad. No matter what it takes.

If there was a character that had a 1 button win screen pros would pick him and be proud of it. Because winning is all that matters, not the game, or the interest factor of the fight, or the skill involved, what matters is winning any way you can. which is why tournaments allow infinites.

The difference between us is that you tie your winning to your ego and let one influence the other and therefor also your fun level. I'm just in it to enjoy the game regardless of who wins. I could lose every single match and i wouldn't care if they felt even and entertaining.

why you assume they don't have fun?

[Samvega]

Originally posted by Teddy Roosevelt:

Originally posted by Jack Trades:

Watching you getting pissed while I'm casually throwing my booms IS my fun.

If your idea of fun is trying your best to make sure other people dont have fun, then i think its pretty clear what the cause of the toxicity in the game is. :towelie: You are the only one actively trying to make the game less fun for others. Imagine trying to be friends in real life with somebody who does annoying things to you on purpose to make themselves happy. Not healthy at all. And whats even weirder is you are proud to be that person. I literally cant even comprehend whats its like to not understand basic empathy.

Your opponent in a ranked match of SF6 is not your friend, and their goal is to win. If that annoys you, that's an issue you are bringing to the game yourself.

No, no its not. The end goal of a game is to have fun. If your choice of having fun is to try and by annoying to others until you win, then your actions and ideals speak for who you are.

I wonder what making claims like this says about you. It seems a bit discriminatory, and also overblown.

[Jack Trades]

Originally posted by Teddy Roosevelt:

Originally posted by Jack Trades:

Watching you getting pissed while I'm casually throwing my booms IS my fun.

If your idea of fun is trying your best to make sure other people dont have fun, then i think its pretty clear what the cause of the toxicity in the game is. :towelie: You are the only one actively trying to make the game less fun for others. Imagine trying to be friends in real life with somebody who does annoying things to you on purpose to make themselves happy. Not healthy at all. And whats even weirder is you are proud to be that person. I literally cant even comprehend whats its like to not understand basic empathy.

And I can't comprehend being the kind of person that goes online to cry about losing in a video game instead of trying to improve themselves.
Really says a lot about you as a person.

[HomongUS]

I only now know this because I've played Guile. With how much hate he gets, Jamie probably didn't even know those 6mp were high blocks. The people that one and dones are usually crying same top tier character like Ken, JP and Luke

Turtling which gets a lot of hate in this forum only works till like low plat I'd say. With how corner and damage stakes are so high, it really outweighs people just trying to win off of holding back. Same as people being annoyed by the opponent jumping all the time.

[Shoah Kahn]

Guile users are mostly trash players who tend to have poor reflexes and real-time stragetrising skills. That is why they play a character who is a turtle with Wiisy execution. I had one Guile throw me to a perfect (I kind of let him) -- just repeatedly walking up and throwing me, as I experimented to see what could beat a throw upon wake (besides a YOLO super) and, secondarily, to see how pathetic a play style a player could stoop to in SF6. I learnt two things from this experience:

1. Throws cannot be beaten without a throw-break or YOLO super.

2. Guile players only play to grind the meaningless points, and are perfectly willing bore opponents to death in order to accomplish their bottom-feeder goal.

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Originally posted by Danny DeVito with a Gun:

Originally posted by Teddy Roosevelt:

If your idea of fun is trying your best to make sure other people dont have fun, then i think its pretty clear what the cause of the toxicity in the game is. You are the only one actively trying to make the game less fun for others. Imagine trying to be friends in real life with somebody who does annoying things to you on purpose to make themselves happy. Not healthy at all. And whats even weirder is you are proud to be that person. I literally cant even comprehend whats its like to not understand basic empathy.

I think psychoanalyzing people based on what playstyle or characters they like says more about you than something preferring to win over lose a match. I hate Cammy and her playstyle, yet one of my closest friends is a Cammy main. He likes having a strong rushdown that leaves you little room to breathe. It's annoying fighting Cammy, yet him liking that playstyle doesn't reflect who he actually is.

Some people like to play slower, more reactive. Maybe they like winning through low risk/low reward pokes rather than a big combo. Maybe they like having the great screen control. Some people like the mental game of running the clock out. Why should they feel guilty for playing this way? Capcom made the character for them. There are countless characters Capcom's made. You're not gonna like every character or playstyle and that's fine

Actions speak louder than words. You judge people based on their actions. It has been this way since before history was even written down. The way you handle yourself (like who and how you play) will always be a direct window into that persons ideals and beliefs. Why do you think lowtiergod loves zoners so much?

Characters are meant to fit an archetype to fall into different categories. Zoners are supposed to be annoying by design. Therefor people that pick them are the type that dont mind being annoying for their own benefit. Its not complicated. Its very surface level and obvious.

If i entered a boxing match and just spent 10 rounds backing up and waiting for an easy punch then the fans wouldnt be happy regardless of who won because its not entertaining. Being the kind of person thats willing to be un-entertaining in order to win speaks volumes about the persons beliefs. Again, actions speak louder than words. If you take winning more seriously than having a fun match then that speaks through your actions about who you are as a person.

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Originally posted by MotokoSan:

Originally posted by Teddy Roosevelt:

When your gameplan for playing is to avoid having to play and run out the clock, how is that fun for anybody? Do you really put winning over having an engaging or entertaining match? I just dont understand people that take games so seriously. Even fighting games. I'm just trying to relax after work over here.

I mean i could pick a high tier and spam hard to read 50/50s and throw loops but thats just as lame.

I think Brian F said it best when somebody in his stream asked if he would ever play sf5 again. And he said "you must be one of those people that play games for fun. I'm playing to win."

Playing in the most optimal path for winning is all that matters to these hyper competitive players. Even if that means playing a very boring match, or several. The only thing they consider fun is winning and anything else is bad. No matter what it takes.

If there was a character that had a 1 button win screen pros would pick him and be proud of it. Because winning is all that matters, not the game, or the interest factor of the fight, or the skill involved, what matters is winning any way you can. which is why tournaments allow infinites.

The difference between us is that you tie your winning to your ego and let one influence the other and therefor also your fun level. I'm just in it to enjoy the game regardless of who wins. I could lose every single match and i wouldn't care if they felt even and entertaining.

why you assume they don't have fun?

who?