Disrespected Ryu

[RoughMountain]

Poor fellow looks like a retired. He's slow and way predictable, hadou lost vibe without cheap damage. people can parry hadou with the ass(!), electric buff is lame, no match for all vigorous comboish Ken, hashogeki does few damage and special feels like a 'don't wanna spin that tatsumaki anymore', long attacks have too many initial frames, ridiculously heavy kick doesn't anti-air well and can be avoided by ducking. CAPCOM, give him a white beard, a bed and a blanket, or respect the man!

[vic_viperman]

Ryu is still good, watch MDZ Jimmy

[lackesis]

Originally posted by vic_viperman:

Ryu is still good, watch MDZ Jimmy

The player you mentioned are good, but Ryu is definitely bottom tier.

[Castyles]

Originally posted by lackesis:

Originally posted by vic_viperman:

Ryu is still good, watch MDZ Jimmy

The player you mentioned are good, but Ryu is definitely bottom tier.

Perhaps on Classic. Because on Modern he's one of the best.

[Danny DeVito with a Gun]

Originally posted by Castyles:

Originally posted by lackesis:

The player you mentioned are good, but Ryu is definitely bottom tier.

Perhaps on Classic. Because on Modern he's one of the best.

No character is drastically better in modern. At best, the modern version can be equal


Anyways master Ryu here. If having most of the cast be a 5-5 match up means he's bottom tier then damn, he sure is a good one

[Quazington]

Ryu will always be the honest character in a dishonest game. Just it what it is

[RoughMountain]

Originally posted by vic_viperman:

Ryu is still good, watch MDZ Jimmy

Don't think he's a good counter example. He's in the scene since SFV, as pro Ryu player, within the top thousand players. Examples aren't made out of the curve. It's like: winning Roland Garros with 19 years is possible If one plays tennis and is 19, cause Nadal did. Besides, he's some sweat matches against Kens. Just compare Ryu's speed from V to 6. In 6 he's is like a character for people to slowly understand what's happening and try fundamentals out more clearly.

[Hidebehind]

Originally posted by Quazington:

Ryu will always be the honest character in a dishonest game. Just it what it is

Ha ha ha! Great joke! Honest character xD

[Dank Sidious]

Originally posted by lackesis:

Originally posted by vic_viperman:

Ryu is still good, watch MDZ Jimmy

The player you mentioned are good, but Ryu is definitely bottom tier.

No he's not. he's low mid at worst, because he still has a solid toolset that lets him deal with most of the cast pretty equally and doesn't really have a horrible matchup in the game, he's just not outstanding at anything.

Bottom characters rely on mediocre gimmick and don't even have a proper reversal: Lily.

[Danny DeVito with a Gun]

Originally posted by RoughMountain:

Originally posted by vic_viperman:

Ryu is still good, watch MDZ Jimmy

Don't think he's a good counter example. He's in the scene since SFV, as pro Ryu player, within the top thousand players. Examples aren't made out of the curve. It's like: winning Roland Garros with 19 years is possible If one plays tennis and is 19, cause Nadal did. Besides, he's some sweat matches against Kens. Just compare Ryu's speed from V to 6. In 6 he's is like a character for people to slowly understand what's happening and try fundamentals out more clearly.

Everyone is slower in SF6 compared to V. Both buttons and walkspeed. And no, Ryu doesn't have it worse in that department when you look at the numbers. He's middle of the pack speed-wise just like he was in SFV. Ken and Luke share his walkspeed btw

Parry doesn't ruin his fireball nor any other fireball in this game. His fireball is way better than it was in SFV

His damage is actually very high overall and charged hasho helps with that. His damage output is comparable to Ken, Ken just has to do more in combos for his damage + Ken gets better corner carry

St. HK is not his main AA nor was it ever. It's supposed to be for further away jumps and it catches those fine (i.e. Kimberly with her elbow drops). Also it whiffed on crouchers in some other games too

P.S. Jimmy's far from the best Ryu to watch. Sekigan, JustFog, Tjommi, EndingWalker, Teiga are much better Ryus imo

[Axelhander]

I've no idea how good he is in the meta, but when I played as him briefly before moving to my main (Dee Jay) and my sub (Guile), Ryu FELT hella stubby. Like, GT Goku stubby. Like I swear this old man be stepping BACKWARD during cr.MP. Like I had to get into Zappa Insta-Kill range just to land a combo.

[RoughMountain]

Everyone is slower in SF6 compared to V. Both buttons and walkspeed. And no, Ryu doesn't have it worse in that department when you look at the numbers. He's middle of the pack speed-wise just like he was in SFV. Ken and Luke share his walkspeed btw

- Game is slower, and even if Ryu's walk speed matches one or another, it's clear that he's slower, and followable, rythym than the examples given.

Parry doesn't ruin his fireball nor any other fireball in this game. His fireball is way better than it was in SFV

- You say it's better, but not how. In V hadou had a cheap damage mechanic, as every strike had, there was V trigger to denjin for quite a while, hadou and denjin were much faster. Now they take drive gauge away, and... what else?

His damage is actually very high overall and charged hasho helps with that. His damage output is comparable to Ken, Ken just has to do more in combos for his damage + Ken gets better corner carry

- He has good damage, but suffers to deal.

St. HK is not his main AA nor was it ever. It's supposed to be for further away jumps and it catches those fine (i.e. Kimberly with her elbow drops). Also it whiffed on crouchers in some other games too

- It wasn't said it was his main anti-air. Surely his heavy kick have been an anti-air option for quite long, but now it's harder to deliver.

P.S. Jimmy's far from the best Ryu to watch. Sekigan, JustFog, Tjommi, EndingWalker, Teiga are much better Ryus imo

- Paladin seems to be the top player, but even so, exception. Ryu hasn't been a thing in tornaments until now. Game is full of Juris, Marisas, Kens...

[Red Eyes Kagura]

Originally posted by Danny DeVito with a Gun:

Originally posted by RoughMountain:

Don't think he's a good counter example. He's in the scene since SFV, as pro Ryu player, within the top thousand players. Examples aren't made out of the curve. It's like: winning Roland Garros with 19 years is possible If one plays tennis and is 19, cause Nadal did. Besides, he's some sweat matches against Kens. Just compare Ryu's speed from V to 6. In 6 he's is like a character for people to slowly understand what's happening and try fundamentals out more clearly.

Everyone is slower in SF6 compared to V. Both buttons and walkspeed. And no, Ryu doesn't have it worse in that department when you look at the numbers. He's middle of the pack speed-wise just like he was in SFV. Ken and Luke share his walkspeed btw

Parry doesn't ruin his fireball nor any other fireball in this game. His fireball is way better than it was in SFV

His damage is actually very high overall and charged hasho helps with that. His damage output is comparable to Ken, Ken just has to do more in combos for his damage + Ken gets better corner carry

St. HK is not his main AA nor was it ever. It's supposed to be for further away jumps and it catches those fine (i.e. Kimberly with her elbow drops). Also it whiffed on crouchers in some other games too

P.S. Jimmy's far from the best Ryu to watch. Sekigan, JustFog, Tjommi, EndingWalker, Teiga are much better Ryus imo

have you seen Paladin's Ryu ? man has some high numbers

[Danny DeVito with a Gun]

Originally posted by RoughMountain:

- Game is slower, and even if Ryu's walk speed matches one or another, it's clear that he's slower, and followable, rythym than the examples given.

The game is slower and that's something you have to adapt to. Relative to the cast, Ryu is the same as ever speed-wise. Even frame data-wise, he's still comparable to Ken

Originally posted by RoughMountain:

- You say it's better, but not how. In V hadou had a cheap damage mechanic, as every strike had, there was V trigger to denjin for quite a while, hadou and denjin were much faster. Now they take drive gauge away, and... what else?

His fireball speeds for one. The speeds help him zone much better now and he can actually fireball trap in this game. Even with parries, he still can control the screen with his fireballs. There are also much less anti-fireball moves than SFV, so there's less MUs where his fireball is near-useless. If parry actually made fireballs terrible like in 3S, Guile, Dee Jay, and Luke wouldn't be top tier

Originally posted by RoughMountain:

- He has good damage, but suffers to deal.

....okay?

Originally posted by RoughMountain:

- It wasn't said it was his main anti-air. Surely his heavy kick have been an anti-air option for quite long, but now it's harder to deliver.

No not really. It does its job fine. Shoryuken and cr. HP are still Ryu's main AAs and they work fine. Even better than in SFV since all of his shoryukens are air invincible now

Originally posted by RoughMountain:

- Paladin seems to be the top player, but even so, exception. Ryu hasn't been a thing in tornaments until now. Game is full of Juris, Marisas, Kens...

Paladin is the #1 Ryu in ranked but he's not the best Ryu overall. He's good but he just happens to grind ranked way more than most players

As for tournament representation idk what to tell you. Not like I think Ryu's top tier. He's just far from a bad character. The truth is that Ryu is a character that is mid tier in most of his appearances. He's supposed to be designed that way. As long as he can compete with the cast, I think that's fine. And I think SF6 follows that rule so far

[Danny DeVito with a Gun]

Originally posted by Axelhander:

I've no idea how good he is in the meta, but when I played as him briefly before moving to my main (Dee Jay) and my sub (Guile), Ryu FELT hella stubby. Like, GT Goku stubby. Like I swear this old man be stepping BACKWARD during cr.MP. Like I had to get into Zappa Insta-Kill range just to land a combo.

Ryu and most shotos are stubby by design, mainly his medium punches. Compared to Guile and Dee Jay, yeah it's gonna seem jarring

[Doc Holiday]

Originally posted by Danny DeVito with a Gun:

Paladin is the #1 Ryu in ranked but he's not the best Ryu overall. He's good but he just happens to grind ranked way more than most players

Paladin just revealed in some streamer channel that he is a 15 years old kid, soon to be 16 this August. So, yeah, too much time in his hands.

Ryu streamers I like to watch are AirRyu, Shiro (Japanese), and the already mentioned Sekiganryu.

Sekiganryu was extremely impressive in SFV, he is not having the same success yet in SF6, but it may be that he still learning the game.