Master rank… easy to get to…..

[emopeanut1352]

So, I’ve been playing since release. I’ve come to realize I’m so tired of hearing people say it’s easy to get to master rank. I’m a plat1 gief. What are some of your woes? What are you tired of hearing?

[Tottery]

Publicado originalmente por C1REX-PL:

Publicado originalmente por Tottery:

If you're only winning 45% of the time, it negates the 10 point difference. Winning 1 match and losing the next 3 or 4 matches moves nothing forward.

Your example is not 45% win rate.
You win 9 matches and lose 11. That’s 45% win ratio.

45% is essentially winning 4 out of 10 matches. A win earns you 50 points. A loss takes 40 points away. 4 games won nets 200 points. 6 losses deducts 240 points. You are losing more points than you gain.

Maybe it's possible to rank up with that win percentage in rookie, iron, gold, etc. but the bonuses stop in Diamond. I believe platinum as well. You'd have to have around a 50% win rate in those leagues to rank up.

[Thick-Six]

You can lose more than you win and still get Master, for the highest rank in the game it is ridiculously easy to get.

[K33n3r]

Publicado originalmente por Tottery:

Publicado originalmente por C1REX-PL:

Your example is not 45% win rate.
You win 9 matches and lose 11. That’s 45% win ratio.

45% is essentially winning 4 out of 10 matches. A win earns you 50 points. A loss takes 40 points away. 4 games won nets 200 points. 6 losses deducts 240 points. You are losing more points than you gain.

That's a 40% win rate. An accurate example is 450 wins and 550 losses out of 1000 games. In this case, you receive 22.5k LP minimum and lose 22k LP for a net gain on 500 LP. You will likely have several wins against higher ranked players in this case, though

[Scrub]

Publicado originalmente por Kye:

You can lose more than you win and still get Master, for the highest rank in the game it is ridiculously easy to get.

That is not the highest rank in the game that's just the highest league and that opens up the true final test: Master Rating.

Getting up to Master rank, even with 45% win rate, means by the time you get there you're ready to fight in the actual competition.

People complaining about how Master rank is easy: please show me your Master Rating - I want to see how well you've done. Most people who limp into Master will have <1500 in no time, a pretty clear indication they aren't as good as the league implies.

[C1REX]

Publicado originalmente por Tottery:

45% is essentially winning 4 out of 10 matches. A win earns you 50 points. A loss takes 40 points away. 4 games won nets 200 points. 6 losses deducts 240 points. You are losing more points than you gain.

That calculation is accurate only when you never win against people with 1 star more.
I don’t remember the exact number from the top of my head but you win something like 62 points from them. Definitely more than the minimum 50.

[C1REX]

Publicado originalmente por Kye:

You can lose more than you win and still get Master, for the highest rank in the game it is ridiculously easy to get.

Are you a Master?

[Dank Sidious]

Publicado originalmente por C1REX-PL:

Publicado originalmente por Tottery:

45% is essentially winning 4 out of 10 matches. A win earns you 50 points. A loss takes 40 points away. 4 games won nets 200 points. 6 losses deducts 240 points. You are losing more points than you gain.

That calculation is accurate only when you never win against people with 1 star more.
I don’t remember the exact number from the top of my head but you win something like 62 points from them. Definitely more than the minimum 50.

I think it depends on LP. Master ranked players can give you significantly more points than diamonds so especially Diamond 5 to master can go rather fast.

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Publicado originalmente por Dank Sidious:

Publicado originalmente por Oracular Spectacular:

you only need 40% W/L to get to master, it's just a time investment if you are competent at the game

if we average that you get 55 points per win and 40 points per loss you need over 14K matches at 43% consistent winrate to get from Plat 1 to Master.

somewhere above between 42.10% and 42.11% is the lowest winrate with that point distribution that leads to a positive point outcome and it requires over million matches to reach from Plat 1 to Master.

This nonsense that any scrub who's bad at the game can eventually just get to masters rank if they play long enough is utter nonsense. Let's also remember that to keep a steady winrate as you progress through higher ranks you actually need to keep improving. If you don't improve you'll just start losing more because the players you keep meeting as you climb will also be better, which will lower your winrate.

IF you don't put in the work to actually practice the game and gain more knowledge you will not be getting to masters, ever.

If your skill level is Plat 1 you are not competent at the game, please read before the chip on your shoulder makes you write ♥♥♥♥ like this.

[Dank Sidious]

Publicado originalmente por Oracular Spectacular:

Publicado originalmente por Dank Sidious:

if we average that you get 55 points per win and 40 points per loss you need over 14K matches at 43% consistent winrate to get from Plat 1 to Master.

somewhere above between 42.10% and 42.11% is the lowest winrate with that point distribution that leads to a positive point outcome and it requires over million matches to reach from Plat 1 to Master.

This nonsense that any scrub who's bad at the game can eventually just get to masters rank if they play long enough is utter nonsense. Let's also remember that to keep a steady winrate as you progress through higher ranks you actually need to keep improving. If you don't improve you'll just start losing more because the players you keep meeting as you climb will also be better, which will lower your winrate.

IF you don't put in the work to actually practice the game and gain more knowledge you will not be getting to masters, ever.

If your skill level is Plat 1 you are not competent at the game, please read before the chip on your shoulder makes you write ♥♥♥♥ like this.

Being competent isn't easy though. How many hours have you played other street fighter titles and fighting games in general before you played this game?

The comment itself wasn't necessarily aimed specifically at you, but anyone claiming that it's "easy", which this topic itself was about, a Plat player pointing out that it's not as easy as the all the self proclaimed bronze league pro players here love to say.

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Publicado originalmente por Dank Sidious:

Publicado originalmente por Oracular Spectacular:

If your skill level is Plat 1 you are not competent at the game, please read before the chip on your shoulder makes you write ♥♥♥♥ like this.

Being competent isn't easy though. How many hours have you played other street fighter titles and fighting games in general before you played this game?

The comment itself wasn't necessarily aimed specifically at you, but anyone claiming that it's "easy", which this topic itself was about, a Plat player pointing out that it's not as easy as the all the self proclaimed bronze league pro players here love to say.

If you think competency in sf6 is a difficult feat then we just disagree, and that's fine. I'm not great at fighting games, the only fg ranked ladders I've ever done well in are games that have whacked ranked systems or have very muddy skill at intermediate levels. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just not seeing something, maybe it's survivorship bias, or maybe the genre isn't for me anymore I have no idea. Also his topic wasn't about masters it was about something else but I don't really care that guy sucks.

I also don't mind how "easy" or not it is to get into any ranked league, it's lame and the motivations behind how ranked is structured are equally lame but I'll live. I just found the idea of OP making a post to spare his ego gross and annoying

Also if your comment isn't directed at me, don't reply to me, I assume the worst from anybody who uses steam forums.

[Tottery]

Publicado originalmente por K33n3r:

Publicado originalmente por Tottery:

45% is essentially winning 4 out of 10 matches. A win earns you 50 points. A loss takes 40 points away. 4 games won nets 200 points. 6 losses deducts 240 points. You are losing more points than you gain.

That's a 40% win rate. An accurate example is 450 wins and 550 losses out of 1000 games. In this case, you receive 22.5k LP minimum and lose 22k LP for a net gain on 500 LP. You will likely have several wins against higher ranked players in this case, though

I mean, technically, 45% of 10 is 4.5. If you want me to round up, we'll say 11 games and assume you win that extra game. That is still 10 points gained. You'd have to play a disgusting amount of games and not have your percentage fluctuate to hit Master rank.

Also, I don't know why people are dunking on the rank system. The majority of people on here, including myself will never hit that rank. Maybe it's a coping mechanism.

[nwad]

It's frustrating. A lot of things in these games are frustrating. Not being able to express that frustration without being debated is frustrating in itself.

[K33n3r]

Publicado originalmente por Tottery:

Publicado originalmente por K33n3r:

That's a 40% win rate. An accurate example is 450 wins and 550 losses out of 1000 games. In this case, you receive 22.5k LP minimum and lose 22k LP for a net gain on 500 LP. You will likely have several wins against higher ranked players in this case, though

I mean, technically, 45% of 10 is 4.5. If you want me to round up, we'll say 11 games and assume you win that extra game. That is still 10 points gained. You'd have to play a disgusting amount of games and not have your percentage fluctuate to hit Master rank.

Also, I don't know why people are dunking on the rank system. The majority of people on here, including myself will never hit that rank. Maybe it's a coping mechanism.

I deny the premise that the ranking system only affects people who reach master rank. I find that it affects platinum rank just as much, there is quite a large skill gap and it's getting worse.

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Publicado originalmente por Tottery:

Publicado originalmente por K33n3r:

That's a 40% win rate. An accurate example is 450 wins and 550 losses out of 1000 games. In this case, you receive 22.5k LP minimum and lose 22k LP for a net gain on 500 LP. You will likely have several wins against higher ranked players in this case, though

I mean, technically, 45% of 10 is 4.5. If you want me to round up, we'll say 11 games and assume you win that extra game. That is still 10 points gained. You'd have to play a disgusting amount of games and not have your percentage fluctuate to hit Master rank.

Also, I don't know why people are dunking on the rank system. The majority of people on here, including myself will never hit that rank. Maybe it's a coping mechanism.

There a total of two people who belittled the ranked system and nobody even replied to them, the rest of the thread were people autistically arguing over the minutiae of my initial comment (you are here) that I made because I find OP annoying or defending their egos against strawmen.

The problems with the ranked system also don't begin and end at masters being way easier to achieve than sfv, placements are a supremely awful system and being able to ballpark where you place is an even worse idea, matchmaking can severely impact your experience depending on your region, modern controls being permitted rarely if ever impacts leagues where the game is ACTUALLY being played and instead exists to punch down on people who can barely even conceptualise motions. I myself am a huge victim of regional matchmaking so it's hard for me to not dislike how ranked is when the previous game hardly ever had as many people playing and yet I could find matches a thousand times faster.

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Publicado originalmente por K33n3r:

Publicado originalmente por Tottery:

I mean, technically, 45% of 10 is 4.5. If you want me to round up, we'll say 11 games and assume you win that extra game. That is still 10 points gained. You'd have to play a disgusting amount of games and not have your percentage fluctuate to hit Master rank.

Also, I don't know why people are dunking on the rank system. The majority of people on here, including myself will never hit that rank. Maybe it's a coping mechanism.

I deny the premise that the ranking system only affects people who reach master rank. I find that it affects platinum rank just as much, there is quite a large skill gap and it's getting worse.

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