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Maximilian's take on Classic vs Modern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS1gxKH6ggQ

Hopefully this will help people understand why modern is totally fine.
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Автор сообщения: Saiso
Автор сообщения: Yann
You shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about, like playing in ranking mode 😂
you would teach me using MC?.... dk why you keep talking 2 me, seek company, i dont think you can walk and chew gum at the same time ...
I don't play MC, been playing classic for 30 years now, can't go back.
Автор сообщения: Aegix Drakan
Автор сообщения: Saiso
I know u can handle only 1 language and prob proud of it... hold my D very close grammar teacher

Je vis en Quebec, tabarnak. Alors je parle le Français aussi. Crisse, je *travaille* en Français, même!

Alors, tu veut tu essayer ca encore, ti gars? :P
Ah un autre Quebecois dans la place! :steamhappy:
Автор сообщения: Yann
Автор сообщения: Aegix Drakan

Je vis en Quebec, tabarnak. Alors je parle le Français aussi. Crisse, je *travaille* en Français, même!

Alors, tu veut tu essayer ca encore, ti gars? :P
Ah un autre Quebecois dans la place! :steamhappy:
will keep talking till ya hear that your MC usage its fine and will love to C how you pick the most skilled MC user in the videogame, thats why your here no? cuz you need to talk about this here because your soooo sure your right..... trying to convince everyone that MC is good talks about how sure u are about this.... screaming like pls back me up so i dont feel like a XXX using these.... like if everyone uses it its fine NO? its something new so its better? hahaha more like doing modern noobs feel like pros and even talk like they are, lol sad. Oh my french le pipi le wiwi?
Отредактировано Saiso; 14 июл. 2023 г. в 14:01
The_Dybbuk_King (Заблокирован) 14 июл. 2023 г. в 14:04 
Автор сообщения: Saiso
Автор сообщения: Yann
Ah un autre Quebecois dans la place! :steamhappy:
will keep talking till ya hear that your MC usage its fine and will love to C how you pick the most skilled MC user in the videogame, thats why your here no? cuz you need to talk about this here because your soooo sure your right..... trying to convince everyone that MC is good talks about how sure u are about this.... screaming like pls back me up so i dont feel like a XXX using these.... like if everyone uses it its fine NO? its something new so its better? hahaha more like doing modern noobs feel like pros and even talk like they are, lol sad. Oh my french le pipi le wiwi?
Read this and tell me that a well adjusted adult with no mental issues wrote this.
soo back to the point please, we are having sooo much fun watching 89 years old blind grandma USING MC, beating diamong and Master players in Ranked its by all means "Fair" and keeps the game super competitive... right?
Автор сообщения: Aegix Drakan
Okay, this thread's about to get nuked, I can sense it. It's gone even more off-topic into insults than the usual flame threads.

Which is a shame, because there's some genuinely good discussion that's gonna be lost here. :(

Автор сообщения: Yann
Ah un autre Quebecois dans la place! :steamhappy:

Yoooo, c'est don ben cool d'en touver un autre en ligne! :D

La tornade qui a passé l'autre jour, c'etait quand meme un peu fou, hien? C'est pas normal ça! :o

Автор сообщения: Saiso
Telling this to a guy that had an Atarii u go back to your toilet

That ain't the flex you think it is, mate.

You're telling me you're even older than me, and your grammar and spelling are THAT poor?

If you're telling the truth, I feel nothing but pity for you.
DK why pple at ur age trys to "flex" not flexing pointing i have played videogames for a long time good or bad the fk u care... flexing ur sister maybe keep talking about grammar hold my D very close while at it, grammar teacher
Yes, let's get the thread back on topic.

Автор сообщения: Saiso
soo back to the point please, we are having sooo much fun watching 89 years old blind grandma USING MC, beating diamong and Master players in Ranked its by all means "Fair" and keeps the game super competitive... right?

Factually untrue for 3 reasons.

1) People IN Masters and Diamond say that they see Modern users unbelievably rarely, if at all. Case in point, Max himself in that very video says he hasn't seen any in a LONG time.

So there aren't 89 year old grandmas beating Diamond rank players. There's barely any modern control players IN diamond.

2) You ignore that the Fighting Game Fundamentals and game knowledge are the real core of the game, and that being able to throw out special moves without inputs is NOT.

It's the equivalent of training wheels. It makes it easier to bike without falling over, but you will NOT have the cardio or muscle power to keep up with a professional bike athlete

3) Case in point, I'm a Classic player with some grasp of the fundamentals. I'm currently Bronze 5, I think, and I'm winning slightly more often than I lose (So I'm probably gonna cap out around mid-silver at most)

If I, someone who knows the fundamentals of the genre somewhat, switch to Modern Controls, and I go up against a Platinum player (not even Diamond or Masters), I will get utterly destroyed, even with Modern controls.

Because high rank players understand frame data, how to bait people into frame traps, and how to perfectly execute long combos for 50% health that leave me in a state where I can very easily get hit with a mixup that leads to another 50% health combo.

I know this, because even though I have a VERY decent grasp on Marisa, I've only ever won like 2 ROUNDS against the Platinum level Kimberly at work. Never a single match. If I make a single mistake, I get put into a position where unless he makes a massive mistake, I'm going to instantly lose.

1 button special moves, a pretty weak auto-combo option and instant Super Arts aren't going to help me when one kimberly low kick can be converted into a long combo into a mixup into another long combo that leaves me dead and him laughing with 3 full Super Art bars.

So unless that 89 year old Grandma is secretly Daigo in disguise, I don't think they're gonna beat a top rank player, modern controls or not.
Отредактировано Aegix Drakan; 14 июл. 2023 г. в 14:42
Автор сообщения: Yann
Автор сообщения: Aegix Drakan

Je vis en Quebec, tabarnak. Alors je parle le Français aussi. Crisse, je *travaille* en Français, même!

Alors, tu veut tu essayer ca encore, ti gars? :P
Ah un autre Quebecois dans la place! :steamhappy:

My previous comment vanished into thin air somehow, sooo...

Yo! C'est don ben cool de trouver un autre en ligne comma ca! L'internet et plus petit qu'on pensait, hien? :)
Look at all the typical Modern whiner suspects immediately going for insults towards a guy who immensely helped grow the FGC by making very entertaining videos for people unfamiliar to the genre, just because they don't like their opinion.

Isn't it funny how coincidentally they all immediately expose themselves as horrible people in general?
Автор сообщения: Aegix Drakan
Yes, let's get the thread back on topic.

Автор сообщения: Saiso
soo back to the point please, we are having sooo much fun watching 89 years old blind grandma USING MC, beating diamong and Master players in Ranked its by all means "Fair" and keeps the game super competitive... right?

Factually untrue for 3 reasons.

1) People IN Masters and Diamond say that they see Modern users unbelievably rarely, if at all. Case in point, Max himself in that very video says he hasn't seen any in a LONG time.

So there aren't 89 year old grandmas beating Diamond rank players.

2) You ignore that the Fighting Game Fundamentals and game knowledge are the real core of the game, and that being able to throw out special moves without inputs is NOT.

It's the equivalent of training wheels. It makes it easier to bike without falling over, but you will NOT have the cardio or muscle power to keep up with a professional bike athlete

3) Case in point, I'm a Classic player with some grasp of the fundamentals. I'm currently Bronze 5, I think, and I'm winning slightly more often than I lose (So I'm probably gonna cap out around mid-silver at most)

If I, someone who knows the fundamentals of the genre somewhat, switch to Modern Controls, and I go up against a Platinum player (not even Diamond or Masters), I will get utterly destroyed, even with Modern controls.

Because high rank players understand frame data, how to bait people into frame traps, and how to perfectly execute long combos for 50% health that leave me in a state where I can very easily get hit with a mixup that leads to another 50% health combo.

I know this, because even though I have a VERY decent grasp on Marisa, I've only ever won like 2 ROUNDS against the Platinum level Kimberly at work. Never a single match. If I make a single mistake, I get put into a position where unless he makes a massive mistake, I'm going to instantly lose.

1 button special moves, a pretty weak auto-combo option and instant Super Arts aren't going to help me when one kimberly low kick can be converted into a long combo into a mixup into another long combo that leaves me dead and him laughing with 3 full Super Art bars.

So unless that 89 year old Grandma is secretly Daigo in disguise, I don't think they're gonna beat a top rank player, modern controls or not.
U clearly dont know what 89 grandma can do, let me tell you she just press any button the on controller the one closer to her finger she does this many times as fast as she can, then a Victory message comes up, after 3 or 4 hours of playing she finally gets tired and comes to disscuss her gameplay in Steam, about how good she was and how many she beat, sht all this remmember shes blind, can only C one color but she pretents to see more, even trys % facts when she writes...
Keep your MC, use ur bot proudly, the fact that capcom allow this in Ranked is Not your fault grandma, but you wont convince any1 that your doing legit gameplay, also wow u nerd... why write soo much
Отредактировано Saiso; 14 июл. 2023 г. в 15:09
Автор сообщения: Saiso
U clearly dont know what 89 grandma can do, let me tell you she just press any button the on controller the one closer to her finger she does this many times as fast as she can, then a Victory message comes up, after 3 or 4 hours of playing she finally gets tired and comes to disscuss her gameplay in Steam, about how good she was and how many she beat, sht all this remmember shes blind, can only C one color but she pretents to see more, even trys % facts when she writes...
Keep your MC, use ur bot proudly, the fact that capcom allow this in Ranked is Not your fault grandma, but you wont convince any1 that your doing legit gameplay, also wow u nerd... why write soo much

Is this a parody of the exact type of person Max was talking about in the video?
Автор сообщения: Saiso
U clearly dont know what 89 grandma can do, let me tell you she just press any button the on controller the one closer to her finger she does this many times as fast as she can, then a Victory message comes up

And YOU clearly don't know how Modern Controls work, nor how fighting games work, if you think that's true.

DYNAMIC mode is what an 89 year old grandma could use to just mash and maybe win a match or two, but wouldn't you know it, it's not available to use in ranked, or even casual online play.

And even using Dynamic, there's no way she'd beat an actual top level player who would see her character flailing about and punish counter her for half her health, then Meaty-Punish-Counter her on wakeup.

If modern is so easy an 89 year old grandma could beat pros, why don't you do it? Play modern, mash buttons, win Evo, get a million dollars if it's so easy, right?

Автор сообщения: Saiso
, after 3 or 4 hours of playing she finally gets tired and comes to disscuss her gameplay in Steam, about how good she was and how many she beat, sht all this remmember shes blind, can only C one color but she pretents to see more, even trys % facts when she writes...

Imagined theoretical fantasy, come back when you have actual proof that it's happening, please. :)

Автор сообщения: Saiso
Keep your MC, use ur bot proudly, the fact that capcom allow this in Ranked is Not your fault grandma, but you wont convince any1 that your doing legit gameplay,

I've said like 4 times I use Classic mode. XD

I'm actually trying to Git Gud at this game, now that I'm actually getting into fighting games for the first time, in a game that's actually active and I can fight people who are my own skill level for once!

Автор сообщения: Saiso
also wow u nerd... why write soo much

Because I'm not writing for YOUR benefit.

I used your post as a springboard to prove to OTHER PEOPLE why people panicking about Modern Controls are wrong. You're not the target, you're the tool I'm using to explain why modern isn't an instant win button.

And yes, I AM a nerd!

I'm so much of a nerd that when I get home from my job of actually working on video games, I sometimes make RPG games as a hobby. Yes, sometimes my ideal way to rest after spending all day working on video games, is to go home and make more video games. XD

Right now, I'm actually making a whole Tabletop RPG setting to use in a campaign for some friends, and homebrewing the heck out of The Savage Worlds system. Because I find it fun.

Much like how using your posts to better inform other people is fun! :P
Отредактировано Aegix Drakan; 14 июл. 2023 г. в 15:30
MC 4 any person used to fighting games its an absolute advantage,

Автор сообщения: Aegix Drakan
Автор сообщения: Saiso
U clearly dont know what 89 grandma can do, let me tell you she just press any button the on controller the one closer to her finger she does this many times as fast as she can, then a Victory message comes up

And YOU clearly don't know how Modern Controls work, nor how fighting games work, if you think that's true.

DYNAMIC mode is what an 89 year old grandma could use to just mash and maybe win a match or two, but wouldn't you know it, it's not available to use in ranked, or even casual online play.

And even using Dynamic, there's no way she'd beat an actual top level player who would see her character flailing about and punish counter her for half her health, then Meaty-Punish-Counter her on wakeup.

If modern is so easy an 89 year old grandma could beat pros, why don't you do it? Play modern, mash buttons, win Evo, get a million dollars if it's so easy, right?

Автор сообщения: Saiso
, after 3 or 4 hours of playing she finally gets tired and comes to disscuss her gameplay in Steam, about how good she was and how many she beat, sht all this remmember shes blind, can only C one color but she pretents to see more, even trys % facts when she writes...

Imagined theoretical fantasy, come back when you have actual proof that it's happening, please. :)

Автор сообщения: Saiso
Keep your MC, use ur bot proudly, the fact that capcom allow this in Ranked is Not your fault grandma, but you wont convince any1 that your doing legit gameplay,

I've said like 4 times I use Classic mode. XD

I'm actually trying to Git Gud at this game, now that I'm actually getting into fighting games for the first time, in a game that's actually active!

Автор сообщения: Saiso
also wow u nerd... why write soo much

Because I'm not writing for YOUR benefit.

I used your post as a springboard to prove to OTHER PEOPLE why people panicking about Modern Controls are wrong. You're not the target, you're the tool I'm using to explain why modern isn't an instant win button.

And yes, I AM a nerd!

I'm so much of a nerd that when I get home from my job of actually working on video games, I sometimes make RPG games as a hobby. Right now, I'm actually making a whole Tabletop RPG setting to use in a campaign for some friends, and homebrewing the heck out of The Savage Worlds system. Because I find it fun.

Much like how using your posts to better inform other people is fun! :P

MC 4 any person used to fighting games its an absolute advantage, dont know why lie about this like you have the Custom one issuing commands, that takes memory, speed coordination... do i really have to explain this? IF you have played fighting games before you have a big advantage... WHY in ranked? like i said if any 1 is new and likes using the bot fine but in ranked 4 me makes no sense capcom allowing this, like award the lazy, feels like a step back, like something not very gamer like--- more like a lady pleasure tool.
Отредактировано Saiso; 14 июл. 2023 г. в 15:48
Автор сообщения: Aegix Drakan
Автор сообщения: Yann
Ah un autre Quebecois dans la place! :steamhappy:

My previous comment vanished into thin air somehow, sooo...

Yo! C'est don ben cool de trouver un autre en ligne comma ca! L'internet et plus petit qu'on pensait, hien? :)

Eh oui, ca fait plaisir de parler francais ici de temps en temps!
J'ai fini par bloquer Saiso, c'est juste un troll qui n'aurait aucune chance en Iron :steamhappy:
Автор сообщения: Kawalorn
Look at all the typical Modern whiner suspects immediately going for insults towards a guy who immensely helped grow the FGC by making very entertaining videos for people unfamiliar to the genre, just because they don't like their opinion.

Isn't it funny how coincidentally they all immediately expose themselves as horrible people in general?
Haha yeah, it's kinda pathetic :steamfacepalm:
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