Problems with hooligan combination grab vs " big Caliber characters"

[The Grin]

I a Cammy main and I use hooligan combination like a madman with all variations that exist.
I rarely fail my hits but yesterday I noticed a big problem vs a Zangief player.

Since Zangief players all play the same way...block stance at match startup to GRAB or SA Punch etc....they mostly stay in block stance to one shot grab.

So, this is a big advantage for me because Cammy is a toxic grappler.......people just tend to forget that she has the best "tactical grab"compared to any other character.

I rarely fail the grabbing hooligan combination but vs that Zangief the Neck grab failed too many times. It wasn't a " perma corner grab".

I know the distance every version of hooligan combination crosses between light, medium and hard but this was literally an instant fail. Cammy just stopped right in front of that Zangief (like 80% of the time) and It felt like I was cancelling it but I was indeed pushing grab.

I just can't explain what the problem was and why it didn't work since I rarely fail this move. Is there a hitbox problem or something ?

PS: Same problem vs Marisa...

[Zoid13]

pretty sure her hooligan grab will just miss if the opponent is crouching.

that's the mix. you go for the hit that will hit them if they are crouching or if they stand to block the hit you throw.

[Dank Sidious]

Watch a replay with inputs enabled and see what's happening. I've never had an issue doing A hooligan grab. on any character.

However. Your bigger issue is using hooligan in neutral in the first place. At one point you will learn that a simple jab will beat every option of the hooligan.

[Dank Sidious]

Originally posted by Zoid13:

pretty sure her hooligan grab will just miss if the opponent is crouching.

that's the mix. you go for the hit that will hit them if they are crouching or if they stand to block it you throw.

Oh right I didn't even realize it could be just crouching and OP not knowing that crouch beats the grab. Maybe he though that it should still grab the Gief and Marisa because they are big.

Every Cammy player should know that crouch beats all the hooligan attacks except for Reverse edge (2K)

[The Grin]

Originally posted by Zoid13:

pretty sure her hooligan grab will just miss if the opponent is crouching.

that's the mix. you go for the hit that will hit them if they are crouching or if they stand to block the hit you throw.

Well the problem is that he wasn't crouching.
This is the issue.
And it shouldn't miss on a standing blocking character.

[The Grin]

Originally posted by Dank Sidious:

Originally posted by Zoid13:

pretty sure her hooligan grab will just miss if the opponent is crouching.

that's the mix. you go for the hit that will hit them if they are crouching or if they stand to block it you throw.

Oh right I didn't even realize it could be just crouching and OP not knowing that crouch beats the grab. Maybe he though that it should still grab the Gief and Marisa because they are big.

Every Cammy player should know that crouch beats all the hooligan attacks except for Reverse edge (2K)

Oh I never use hooligan grab on crouching opponents. Too risky for a grab, but the sliding back whiff takes most blocking opponent off guard and works like a charm.

[Dank Sidious]

Originally posted by Jadam Ensen (^3^):

Originally posted by Dank Sidious:

Oh right I didn't even realize it could be just crouching and OP not knowing that crouch beats the grab. Maybe he though that it should still grab the Gief and Marisa because they are big.

Every Cammy player should know that crouch beats all the hooligan attacks except for Reverse edge (2K)

Oh I never use hooligan grab on crouching opponents. Too risky for a grab, but the sliding back whiff takes most blocking opponent off guard and works like a charm.

I mean they can crouch on reaction...
And like I said at one when you face people who know about other characters than their own. You'll meet people who know that they can stuff everything you are trying to do with hooligan from normal with just a jab.

Originally posted by Jadam Ensen (^3^):

And it shouldn't miss on a standing blocking character.

Seriously go into a replay of the match where you miss a grab that you were certain should have connected. Activate input display and see what's going on with both yours and your opponent's inputs.

[The Grin]

Originally posted by Dank Sidious:

Originally posted by Jadam Ensen (^3^):

Oh I never use hooligan grab on crouching opponents. Too risky for a grab, but the sliding back whiff takes most blocking opponent off guard and works like a charm.

I mean they can crouch on reaction...
And like I said at one when you face people who know about other characters than their own. You'll meet people who know that they can stuff everything you are trying to do with hooligan from normal with just a jab.

Originally posted by Jadam Ensen (^3^):

And it shouldn't miss on a standing blocking character.

Seriously go into a replay of the match where you miss a grab that you were certain should have connected. Activate input display and see what's going on with both yours and your opponent's inputs.

Ok thanks, I'll try to look at a replay.