Modern controls exposed the brutal reality of skill issue.

[C1REX]

First of all I think the Modern Controls is a brilliant idea by Capcom.
It's also an obviously very hot topic that we have like 2 per page.

I think it unintentionally exposed how difficult Street Fighter is and how bad many long term fans are.

Here is the brutal truth:
- You complain about modern controls because YOU don't want to learn.
- You don't want to learn combos and you don't want others to be able to do any combos.
- You want 6 buttons layout so you can comfortably use just two of them - heavy punch and heavy kick. It makes you feel smart and experienced by using only top tier buttons.
- You want the same nostalgia feeling you had playing SF2 where doing an anti air DP was the peak of possible skill. Anything harder than that is just stupid.
- You want the game without combos, without move cancelling, without Drive Impact, without Drive Rush, Drive Reversal, Perfect Parry, throw loops, Shimmy and generally 90% of stuff people do from mid ranks and up.
- You want new SF2 - not SF6.

You don't want to learn. You pretend to use classic to improve when you do absolutely zero to improve. You've learnt no combos. You don't practice combo trials. You don't know bread and butter combos and don't want to learn them. You hope nobody in your ranks will do them. If they learn they are cheating smurfs.

Street Fighter is an insanely hard game. Maybe even too hard in modern standards. Maybe combos are too hard. Maybe newcomers should be able to do some basic combos in classic controls. Maybe the most basic stuff should be simplified so people can actually use them and actually play SF6 as intended - with combos and pressure. With all the tools the game has to offer.

I'm just a little bit fed up by this arrogant gatekeeping people at the lowest ranks who pretend they are better than others.

[Rodi]

Modern controls is just the beginning. The real wonder will be the modern+ control scheme, where you can customize the assisted combos you want to execute. Embrace the future.

[The_Professor]

Modern = scumbag trash bag garbage humans with a 1 button combo spam
Classic = smart articulate creative ppl with brains to operate 6 buttons and an arsenal of specials

modern should be its OWN game or ranked league.

Guiles 2 second sonic boom charge is systematically changed to a single button spam, gtfo scum this is garbage now

[Rodi]

Publicado originalmente por The_Professor:

Guiles 2 second sonic boom charge is systematically changed to a single button spam, gtfo scum this is garbage now

I know you are banned (which says a lot about you along with your post above) and can't reply, but your ignorance might spread to other ignorant minds, because people tend to believe what they want to believe without questioning.
Guile and other charge characters still need to charge to do their specials with modern controls.

[FAT WANZER]

Publicado originalmente por Rodi:

Publicado originalmente por The_Professor:

Guiles 2 second sonic boom charge is systematically changed to a single button spam, gtfo scum this is garbage now

I know you are banned (which says a lot about you along with your post above) and can't reply, but your ignorance might spread to other ignorant minds, because people tend to believe what they want to believe without questioning.
Guile and other charge characters still need to charge to do their specials with modern controls.

just tried it yep need charge too for those charge characters

[Teddy Roosevelt]

The forums are going to ♥♥♥♥ themselves when one button raging demon comes out with Akuma.

[SilverJoystix]

Publicado originalmente por C1REX-PL:

First of all I think the Modern Controls is a brilliant idea by Capcom.
It's also an obviously very hot topic that we have like 2 per page.

I think it unintentionally exposed how difficult Street Fighter is and how bad many long term fans are.

Here is the brutal truth:
- You complain about modern controls because YOU don't want to learn.
- You don't want to learn combos and you don't want others to be able to do any combos.
- You want 6 buttons layout so you can comfortably use just two of them - heavy punch and heavy kick. It makes you feel smart and experienced by using only top tier buttons.
- You want the same nostalgia feeling you had playing SF2 where doing an anti air DP was the peak of possible skill. Anything harder than that is just stupid.
- You want the game without combos, without move cancelling, without Drive Impact, without Drive Rush, Drive Reversal, Perfect Parry, throw loops, Shimmy and generally 90% of stuff people do from mid ranks and up.
- You want new SF2 - not SF6.

You don't want to learn. You pretend to use classic to improve when you do absolutely zero to improve. You've learnt no combos. You don't practice combo trials. You don't know bread and butter combos and don't want to learn them. You hope nobody in your ranks will do them. If they learn they are cheating smurfs.

Street Fighter is an insanely hard game. Maybe even too hard in modern standards. Maybe combos are too hard. Maybe newcomers should be able to do some basic combos in classic controls. Maybe the most basic stuff should be simplified so people can actually use them and actually play SF6 as intended - with combos and pressure. With all the tools the game has to offer.

I'm just a little bit fed up by this arrogant gatekeeping people at the lowest ranks who pretend they are better than others.

this is a pretty good comment. I actually wish I wrote it myself but I do like the nuisances of being able to throw a medium kick or medium punch every once in a while.

It is true that a lot of old school people like myself never wanted this gender-bending, social media focused, modern control embracing, 10-year DLC season pass, in-game battle pass for your battle pass version of Street Fighter.

We wanted back the feeling when we stepped into the arcades for the first time and grabbed a hold of the stick (pause). Back in those days, all I needed was Ryu's fireball, Sagat's Tiger Knee, and Ken's Dragon Uppercut and enough quarters/tokens to ignore how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ terrible I was. Back then, fighting games were fun - they were pure and they were raw.

Maybe we are just getting older or I am too fond of nostalgia, but it is obvious that a new, softer generation of players has taken over Street Fighter and perhaps, this is their time. Capcom designed this game knowing they had to capture a new market and it seems they have for the time being.

But as much as I complain about people using modern controls, I only had two or three moves at my disposal at any given time that I knew I could trust and execute faithfully growing up in those arcades. I'm a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hypocrite and should apologize to everyone I offended about making fun of them for using modern controls. They are not exactly wrong for doing so.

But, this apology won't come today.

Take these points.

[【☆ KXRØ. ☆】]

Publicado originalmente por netn10:

I'm on Gold and I can count on one hand the amount of Modern Controls I see. Also in tournaments. This topic is way overblown.

Yea it's sad, at gold or above it's probably less than 10-15% of player base, They are just stupid for thinking M Controls is OP, it's not OP at all.

[Raven]

honestly, with about 12 hours into combo trials on modern and hitting a wall, people who think modern is "one button auto combo" have zero clue what they are talking about. modern has to compensate with move losses by making their own wonky combos that aren't any less difficult to pull off.

[SilverJoystix]

Publicado originalmente por Raven:

honestly, with about 12 hours into combo trials on modern and hitting a wall, people who think modern is "one button auto combo" have zero clue what they are talking about. modern has to compensate with move losses by making their own wonky combos that aren't any less difficult to pull off.

Not really. You just have to spam triangle more while holding down the auto button longer.

[Raven]

Publicado originalmente por FAT WANZER:

just tried it yep need not charge too for those charge characters

Absolute lie. Firstly, Guile isn't a charge character in this game, at least not like he was in the past (source is other players saying so from the pro leagues, I don't know)

but what I do know personally is you DO have to charge.

[Raven]

Publicado originalmente por SilverJoystix:

Publicado originalmente por Raven:

honestly, with about 12 hours into combo trials on modern and hitting a wall, people who think modern is "one button auto combo" have zero clue what they are talking about. modern has to compensate with move losses by making their own wonky combos that aren't any less difficult to pull off.

Not really. You just have to spam triangle more while holding down the auto button longer.

yes, of course, silly me. this is just simply pressing Y a couple times.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3001640764

I'm sure that will work out. It's not like I spent 3 1/2 hours on this.

edit: there is also a few from a classic diamond level juri player that tried modern and said that some of these combos are important to learn because they are BnB combos, not just for the "trial", I guess I should just listen to you, give up on this and keep hitting Y all the time, cus that's all modern players need to do, right? That's what you WANT us to do apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmYkJx6aRnA

and not just trials, here is a proper combo guide, I'm sure I can just replace everything with hitting y a few times:

https://youtu.be/MgoRq4DCMAk

[SilverJoystix]

Publicado originalmente por Raven:

Publicado originalmente por SilverJoystix:

Not really. You just have to spam triangle more while holding down the auto button longer.

yes, of course, silly me. this is just simply pressing Y a couple times.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3001640764

I'm sure that will work out. It's not like I spent 3 1/2 hours on this.

edit: there is also a few from a classic diamond level juri player that tried modern and said that some of these combos are important to learn because they are BnB combos, not just for the "trial", I guess I should just listen to you, give up on this and keep hitting Y all the time, cus that's all modern players need to do, right? That's what you WANT us to do apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmYkJx6aRnA

This video is cute and I appreciate you sharing it. But, practicing modern controls is like studying Cliff's Notes. Your video took 14 minutes to watch. In return, I have a five minute video that I would like you to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOv8CD646X8

If you feel like discussing further, we can this later this afternoon.

[Raven]

Publicado originalmente por SilverJoystix:

Publicado originalmente por Raven:

yes, of course, silly me. this is just simply pressing Y a couple times.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3001640764

I'm sure that will work out. It's not like I spent 3 1/2 hours on this.

edit: there is also a few from a classic diamond level juri player that tried modern and said that some of these combos are important to learn because they are BnB combos, not just for the "trial", I guess I should just listen to you, give up on this and keep hitting Y all the time, cus that's all modern players need to do, right? That's what you WANT us to do apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmYkJx6aRnA

This video is cute and I appreciate you sharing it. But, practicing modern controls is like studying Cliff's Notes. Your video took 14 minutes to watch. In return, I have a five minute video that I would like you to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOv8CD646X8

If you feel like discussing further, we can this later this afternoon.

I'll watch yours, check the video in the edit.

Edit: You're seriously making me watch bill cosby... Yeah, no reason to discuss with you. I was honest and tried really hard to communicate and you pulled the biggest douche move. This forum is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ toxic, I'm done. I should thank you though, I play against classic people and honestly, I felt a little bad, but I am not gonna feel bad anymore. I no longer feel any need to be nice anymore.

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Publicado originalmente por Raven:

Publicado originalmente por SilverJoystix:

This video is cute and I appreciate you sharing it. But, practicing modern controls is like studying Cliff's Notes. Your video took 14 minutes to watch. In return, I have a five minute video that I would like you to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOv8CD646X8

If you feel like discussing further, we can this later this afternoon.

I'll watch yours, check the video in the edit.

Edit: You're seriously making me watch bill cosby... Yeah, no reason to discuss with you. I was honest and tried really hard to communicate and you pulled the biggest douche move. This forum is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ toxic, I'm done. I should thank you though, I play against classic people and honestly, I felt a little bad, but I am not gonna feel bad anymore. I no longer feel any need to be nice anymore.

Don't let bad takes get you so caught up in your own feelings that you cant continue to be helpful to others. That's a really ugly look. You can lead a horse to water, but forcing him to drink may kill you both. Just spread the truth and let everything else wash off your back. Don't stop being nice to horses just because some refuse to drink.

[SilverJoystix]

Publicado originalmente por Raven:

Publicado originalmente por SilverJoystix:

This video is cute and I appreciate you sharing it. But, practicing modern controls is like studying Cliff's Notes. Your video took 14 minutes to watch. In return, I have a five minute video that I would like you to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOv8CD646X8

If you feel like discussing further, we can this later this afternoon.

I'll watch yours, check the video in the edit.

Edit: You're seriously making me watch bill cosby... Yeah, no reason to discuss with you. I was honest and tried really hard to communicate and you pulled the biggest douche move. This forum is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ toxic, I'm done. I should thank you though, I play against classic people and honestly, I felt a little bad, but I am not gonna feel bad anymore. I no longer feel any need to be nice anymore.

You are a quitter who deserves modern controls. Good luck spending 3 more hours figuring out how to hold down triangle and the auto button at the same time.