To all them arcade stick users - help?

[NeZQuick]

So rather recently (before SFVI) I picked up a budget PXN arcade stick and I kinda fell in love, playing mostly indie platformers with it and also a bit of DBFZ (but not that much).

I got my DP's and QC's down both ways, even tried some Gief command grabs out of curiosity and it's "allright".
But what I'm struggling heavily with is a double QCF - yes specifically forward (or 'right' just so we're clear).

Anyone out there got any advice for why this could be? Do I need to just lab more when I have no idea what I'm doing wrong? I mean, even the input list shows that I did it right, and I dont believe I'm doing it too slow... A single QC is fine both ways as I said but I can only get a proper double like maybe 20% of the time to the right, and about 90% of the time to the left <.<

Also, any thoughts on the HORI Alpha Stick? I'm heavily considering it tho it might be just a teensy bit tight on my budget o.o
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So, update:
Actually didn't expect to go 2 pages with this question, don't usually get much advice on the net xD
A solution I found - propping my palm on something and adjusting my grip has helped a ton
I have also ordered a bat top and 8-gate just to try them out. Still considering my options on an upgrade from my PXN0082 to a DRONE2 or HORI Alpha or anything else thats still considered budget but good.

Glad I found other people that also had struggles with right side commands as I thought there was something wrong with me xD

Slow mode: definitely something I'm willing to try when I struggle again!

[Swampbunches]

I've been using stick for over twenty years and have always felt like double QCF to the right is hard. I'll still drop supers in combos and matches. I need to do more slow, methodical practice. Always start slow and work your way up.

Don't forget that training mode has a 50% speed setting. Try your combos there, at slow speed and work up. And yeah, hitting the buttons early is usually worse than slightly late.

[IPlayGamesOnPC]

Publicado originalmente por NeZQuick:

Publicado originalmente por IPlayGamesOnPC:

It takes practice to get the motion precise. Go into training mode, turn on the input display, and slowly do the motion over and over. When you feel confident you can do it at that speed, go a little faster. Keep repeating this until you are doing it fast enough to do the SA.
SF6 has a shortcut to make it easier though - you only need to go into the corner once. So 26236 or 23626 will both work.

oooh ok, shortcuts I do like I'll check that out - and yes practice is what I did for all the other motions, just for some unexplained reason I'm strugling with 236236 specifically, cause im totally okay with 214214

When I started playing back in the 90s, I couldn't do a DP from the right side to save my life. I would actually whiff the tatsumaki on purpose to switch sides ASAP.

[RetroKid]

https://youtu.be/ESQmqIBfaUg

Back in the day. I personally alternate between using my fingertips and holding it "wine glass style" depending on the motion I need and the side I'm on.

[NeZQuick]

Publicado originalmente por IPlayGamesOnPC:

Publicado originalmente por NeZQuick:

oooh ok, shortcuts I do like I'll check that out - and yes practice is what I did for all the other motions, just for some unexplained reason I'm strugling with 236236 specifically, cause im totally okay with 214214

When I started playing back in the 90s, I couldn't do a DP from the right side to save my life. I would actually whiff the tatsumaki on purpose to switch sides ASAP.

me right now when playing ranked/casual - when i have full meter i do whatever i can so im on the right so i can actually use that meter xD

[NeZQuick]

Publicado originalmente por RetroKid:

https://youtu.be/ESQmqIBfaUg

Back in the day. I personally alternate between using my fingertips and holding it "wine glass style" depending on the motion I need and the side I'm on.

i actually find myself subconciously going into a more fingertip grip or 'tight' grip i thought wineglass would suit me best but it made my palm hurt like hell on longer sessions - good to know its a-okay to switch grips and im definitely giving that a watch while im labbing

[NeZQuick]

Publicado originalmente por Swampbunches:

I've been using stick for over twenty years and have always felt like double QCF to the right is hard. I'll still drop supers in combos and matches. I need to do more slow, methodical practice. Always start slow and work your way up.

Don't forget that training mode has a 50% speed setting. Try your combos there, at slow speed and work up. And yeah, hitting the buttons early is usually worse than slightly late.

great to know I'm not the only one struggling with right side commands XD

and yeah the 50% speed has been mentioned before, im not really sold on that as I'd rather get the feel real speed straight away, but it is worth giving a shot

[Swampbunches]

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great to know I'm not the only one struggling with right side commands XD

and yeah the 50% speed has been mentioned before, im not really sold on that as I'd rather get the feel real speed straight away, but it is worth giving a shot [/quote]

I hope I don't come off as rude here, but you really, really should try things slowly before full speed. Getting muscle memory down is much easier this way. I'm a musician and whenever I'm learning a new part I always start slow and build my speed. No one expects you to do something full speed the first time. It's much much better to do something the RIGHT way slowly than the wrong way quickly. Because if you're doing it right, but slowly, all you have to do is build speed. But if you're doing it wrong....well you're just doing it wrong.

[m_train1]

Install circle gate. You shouldn't have a problem then.

[NeZQuick]

Publicado originalmente por Swampbunches:

great to know I'm not the only one struggling with right side commands XD

and yeah the 50% speed has been mentioned before, im not really sold on that as I'd rather get the feel real speed straight away, but it is worth giving a shot [/quote]

I hope I don't come off as rude here, but you really, really should try things slowly before full speed. Getting muscle memory down is much easier this way. I'm a musician and whenever I'm learning a new part I always start slow and build my speed. No one expects you to do something full speed the first time. It's much much better to do something the RIGHT way slowly than the wrong way quickly. Because if you're doing it right, but slowly, all you have to do is build speed. But if you're doing it wrong....well you're just doing it wrong. [/quote]

well, right now an adjustment in my palm position has definitely helped a whoooole lot, but if i ever change characters/start learning new combos, yeah im definitely giving slow mo a try!

Publicado originalmente por m_train1:

Install circle gate. You shouldn't have a problem then.

actually ordered an 8-gate and bat top just to give it a shot - not yet sure how im gonna fit the gate into a PXN0082 but i hear a smol drill can help xD

[Swampbunches]

I've always used a square gate. I wonder if octagonal would help.

[Effen Craizi]

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Publicado originalmente por m_train1:

Install circle gate. You shouldn't have a problem then.

actually ordered an 8-gate and bat top just to give it a shot - not yet sure how im gonna fit the gate into a PXN0082 but i hear a smol drill can help xD

The octo-gate will for sure help and the bat-top will give a bit more leverage for maneuverability. I never had to use these for SFV but for some weird reason 6 has been giving me a lot of issues.

When you end up getting your new stick. I would also suggest getting an over-sized actuator. Sino-Arcade on Aliexpress has a 1mm Kowal clone in SS or Nylon, that works perfectly with an octo. I just installed mine today and loving it so far. If you end up with a Sanwa stick and want to try a .5mm over-sized, search “Sanwa JLF P-B” but whatever you do don’t get the Paradise Arcade in-house one. It shortens the actuation but the throw remains the same and really messes you up during heated game play. Also try looking into getting stronger springs when you get your new stick, to help it return to neutral faster. FYI the stock Sanwa JLF spring is .9Lb, I have a 2lb installed right now with my 58g Aluminum bat-top.
On the topic of bat-tops. You’ll notice that they are not all made with the same dimensions. My Aluminum is 30mm at the top, but tapers down substantially at the base, which make me feel as if I’m not getting max leverage. If this is a same case for you, try the Qanba Prizm which looks like a fat bat-top or a Nobi bullet top. I have both of these coming in the next month.

[RetroKid]

Square gates cater to street fighter motions more once you incorporate shortcuts into your muscle memory. While an octogate in theory will give you a more fluid feel, street fighter's input system only really cares about 8 definitive directions, and knowing this gives you a huge understanding of how to manipulate the engine and give you better control over your character.

Example:
Easy dp: hold the stick in the down-towards direction. Move the stick towards the down position, and once you feel it click, move it back to down-towards and press punch. This is a VERY slight movement that gives you dp every single time.

How is this relevant?

Well let's say your combo is low strong into dp. Well, if you crouch by holding down-forward on the stick as you press strong, then move to down, then back to down forward and press punch at the same time, you get a two-in-one with VERY little effort or stuck movement. This doesn't work on an octagonal gate. These shortcuts are everywhere in the street fighter system, and started with SFIV. They help make what would normally be difficult inputs into a breeze.

[RetroKid]

https://youtu.be/VxyEEK_0R_U

I like how fluid JWong makes his 2xQCF. It's almost like he does one, let's the stick go to neutral for a microsecond, then does it again.

[mycle7080]

Publicado originalmente por NeZQuick:

Publicado originalmente por mycle7080:

simple buy a hitbox. take a look at the snack box

I had the opportunity to try a hitbox in an arcade once, and then theres the olde left hand keyboard right hand on pad buttons method of simulating that
and while the inputs do end up being super clean - i still prefer the stick so much more due to the fun value xd

i have the hori alfa stick too and its great but i also put sanwa silent buttons in it and a korean bat top . look into korean lever bat tops they are waaaay smoother than any other sticks

[svoulzor]

Just buy or build a 3d printed hitbox bro

https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DETs0vT

https://github.com/jfedor2/flatbox/tree/master/hardware-rev4