Cammy Super was censored/changed.

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[Providence 777]

Escrito originalmente por Whitebleidd:

I already explained how removal of material from marketing is censorship, i don;t care if something is still in the game if it was hidden from the spotlight for known censorious reasons, DOA has always been a game with sex appeal at its core, trying to hide that in marketing for ideological reasons is censorship, in addition to ofc being bad marketing anyways.

DOA6 showcased the classic costumes in their TGS gameshow, so they absolutely did market the the classic costumes.

Escrito originalmente por Whitebleidd:

i know, i don't buy MK games anymore because of the censorship of their female characters, reason i specifically mentioned a male example and noted that it only applied to some males, they disrespect the original female designs but not all the male ones, at leas not the iconic ones like Scorpion.

Ah, I understand now.

Escrito originalmente por Whitebleidd:

Anyways to reiterate, a classic costume remaining in the game means nothing to me in terms of a game not being censored, if that costume happens to be her iconic one that should be front and center on any marketing material, especially character reveals yet is hidden from view as an alternate outfit.

I've never heard of such a standard before, it fits no know definition of censorship, as marketing materials are designed to highlight content that will convince specific demographics to buy their product. Every trailer shows something different, and once they have all the classic costumes done, you better believe they'll get their own dedicated trailer.

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Escrito originalmente por Providence 777:

Disagree with what? I gave no opinion on her new costume!

You said

Escrito originalmente por Providence 777:

Cammy's looks awesome because of how realistic her skin is now, and currently it's just as revealing as it was in SFIV and SFV.

which to me sounds like a positive opinion on the praise for her new costume.

Dude I was literally talking about the classic costume that's in the game, look at the context, no way could that possibly be interpreted to be talking about her new costume.

[Whitebleidd]

Escrito originalmente por Providence 777:

Dude I was literally talking about the classic costume that's in the game, look at the context, no way could that possibly be interpreted to be talking about her new costume.

I see, my bad then, I haven’t seen her iconic outfit yet for SF6 but I’m sure it must look good with the upgraded shaders and increased poly count, which just highlights how dumb it was to have her reveal be that lame Gym outfit.

Escrito originalmente por Providence 777:

DOA6 showcased the classic costumes in their TGS gameshow, so they absolutely did market the the classic costumes.

At a later date, not at the reveal, which already told me everything i needed to know about who they were listening to when it came to marketing. Perception of DOA6 was never able to recover after that initial reveal on the minds of many fans, including me.

[Döktor Jönes]

I don't need to even read this ♥♥♥♥, and I know you're discussing semantics.

Capcom streamlines their product to be safe.

Standard costumes are less risky, so there is less nuisance with age-ratings.
Can we agree on that?

[Providence 777]

Escrito originalmente por Whitebleidd:

I see, my bad then, I haven’t seen her iconic outfit yet for SF6 but I’m sure it must look good with the upgraded shaders and increased poly count, which just highlights how dumb it was to have her reveal be that lame Gym outfit.

Then you're in for a treat, let me show you her classic costume in SF6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wATRvKCsleE
^ see what I mean, glorious cheek floss!
feel free to pause a specific frames and play in slow motion.

Escrito originalmente por Whitebleidd:

At a later date, not at the reveal, which already told me everything i needed to know about who they were listening to when it came to marketing. Perception of DOA6 was never able to recover after that initial reveal on the minds of many fans, including me.

The issue was that they revealed the game too early before they had any of the breast physics, and that got everyone up in arms (including me) denouncing the game.

I still payed attention and saw the game showcased at TGS and saw that they added everything that I thought was missing. Sadly most of the DOA fans had already completely ignored the game at that point.

Escrito originalmente por Doktor Jones:

Standard costumes are less risky, so there is less nuisance with age-ratings, and you can show your mom the game you play without being ashamed.

Can we agree on that?

I can agree with that because the costume is already in the game, but it should be noted that even with the butt floss being confirmed in the game, ESRB still rated the game T for Teen, because that's the appropriate rating for that content.

[Whitebleidd]

Escrito originalmente por Doktor Jones:

I don't need to even read this ♥♥♥♥, and I know you're discussing semantics.

Capcom streamlines their product to be safe.

Standard costumes are less risky, so there is less nuisance with age-ratings.
Can we agree on that?

We can, and that is something I take issue with, that for me is censorship, plus it shows me they are not respecting the past of the franchise, they are not making the game with their core demographic at the forefront and that bottom line, they lack integrity.

Capcom “streamlining their product to be safe” is not why I buy their games, I used to buy them for the opposite reason, age ratings don’t even matter, the gaming demographic with the biggest buying power is not under 18, not that it even matters since I don’t recall respecting any age ratings when I was a kid buying games.

I’m pretty sure FF16 for example, will do better than both FF13 and FF15, because of the increased age rating, the idea that “toning down” a game will help sales is laughable, the opposite has been the case, its done purely for ideological reasons, that manifest themselves in censorship.

[Döktor Jönes]

Escrito originalmente por Whitebleidd:

We can, and that is something I take issue with, that for me is censorship, plus it shows me they are not respecting the past of the franchise, they are not making the game with their core demographic at the forefront and that bottom line, they lack integrity.

What do you actually mean with "respecting the past"? There are so many references about the old games (Cammys lvl 2, zangiefs goofy face, Yuris winpose, Lukes taunt). Three of the new characters are successors of older characters. This time they actually brought back the 8 world warriors, unlike SF5. The whole drive system you could deconstruct into Alpha Counters, Parries and Focus attack from the old games.

Really, SF3 disrespected SF2 and Alpha more than SF6 does.

Escrito originalmente por Whitebleidd:

Capcom “streamlining their product to be safe” is not why I buy their games, I used to buy them for the opposite reason, age ratings don’t even matter, the gaming demographic with the biggest buying power is not under 18, not that it even matters since I don’t recall respecting any age ratings when I was a kid buying games.

Didn't someone post these already?
https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/jul/19/mika-too-sexy-espn-fuudo-forced-change-character-costume-evo-finals/
https://www.destructoid.com/espn-had-an-evo-finalist-change-cammys-revealing-outfit-for-broadcast/
Yeah, sure, evil eSport

I also want to add the scenario when your significant other has a peak of what you're playing.

Escrito originalmente por Whitebleidd:

I’m pretty sure FF16 for example, will do better than both FF13 and FF15, because of the increased age rating, the idea that “toning down” a game will help sales is laughable, the opposite has been the case,

Dunno, didn't follow Final Fantasy for a long time. So... yeah? We will see?

Personally, I think that SF6 will fail. Not because of censorship or the wOkE äGenDa, but the lack of interest of the general audience. Because THEY carry a game, not the hardcore crowd. Yeah, sure, the CORE AUDIENCE could "save" the game, if it were smaller. But it seems it gets pretty big. Like, with an Open World (that they didn't show too much, so it worries me).

And really... should Street Fighter be a franchise for the hardcore crowd?

Escrito originalmente por Whitebleidd:

its done purely for ideological reasons, that manifest themselves in censorship.

Also... ehm... dude.

There is this phenomenon when anti-ideology becomes an ideology. Like, when you're anti X, you sympathize with Y that's anti-X, but Y has it own problems.

I don't see much ideology in the game (yeah I know, the presenter that is part of the Illuminati. I see ticked boxes and tropes of the last 10 years.
There are people that throw a hissy-fit because you can add a mustache to a female in the character editor. And I'm like "cool".

But then again, I'm a European, so what do I know about woke Marxist activist and ♥♥♥♥.







Okay, this is my wall of text, the next 2 month you will get only 1–3 liners again.

[Holografix]

Escrito originalmente por Doktor Jones:

Personally, I think that SF6 will fail.

really?

i think it will be their biggest selling Street Fighter.

The OST is fire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EELQyo7FX4k
and by fire, i mean Yoga fire.

[Providence 777]

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

Escrito originalmente por Doktor Jones:

Personally, I think that SF6 will fail.

really?

i think it will be their biggest selling Street Fighter.

people haven't figured out that game's succeed or fail based on how well it's advertised, and how good the content looks in ads.

Halo infinite is an utter trashfire, and it's one of the most financially successful entries in the series.

That said, SF6 is still doing nearly everything right, they just need to hide that Eternity character in the basement and the game will be the biggest launch in Capcom's fighting game history, barring any further unforeseen incidents.

[Holografix]

Escrito originalmente por Providence 777:

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

really?

i think it will be their biggest selling Street Fighter.

people haven't figured out that game's succeed or fail based on how well it's advertised, and how good the content looks in ads.

Halo infinite is an utter trashfire, and it's one of the most financially successful entries in the series.

That said, SF6 is still doing nearly everything right, they just need to hide that Eternity character in the basement and the game will be the biggest launch in Capcom's fighting game history, barring any further unforeseen incidents.

Eternity is a selling point. Seems like the next G "president of the world" to me.

Plus, Eternity is tame compared to what the player base will concoct with SF6's amazingly detailed character creation system.

[Providence 777]

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

Escrito originalmente por Providence 777:

people haven't figured out that game's succeed or fail based on how well it's advertised, and how good the content looks in ads.

Halo infinite is an utter trashfire, and it's one of the most financially successful entries in the series.

That said, SF6 is still doing nearly everything right, they just need to hide that Eternity character in the basement and the game will be the biggest launch in Capcom's fighting game history, barring any further unforeseen incidents.

Eternity is a selling point. Seems like the next G "president of the world" to me.

Average normies find him entirely repulsive.

Eternity is a selling point to a fraction of the 10% of the U.S. population who have a twitter account.

[Providence 777]

Escrito originalmente por Axelhander:

Did know Eternity existed until now. Huh. Neat.

Strange, I assumed he was the reason you were so protective of the game.

[Holografix]

Escrito originalmente por Axelhander:

Despite claims to the contrary, most "average normies" are good people, and don't look at Eternity immediately with the desire to cast judgement.

Ironically, people trying to erase characters like Eternity are actually guilty of attempting to enact censorship, but keep that on the down low.

yah, we don't talk about anti-censorship people trying to enact censorship...

[Providence 777]

Escrito originalmente por Axelhander:

Despite claims to the contrary, most "average normies" are good people, and don't look at Eternity immediately with the desire to cast judgement.

Ironically, people trying to erase characters like Eternity are actually guilty of attempting to enact censorship, working in service of something they swear they oppose.

I dare you to find me asking for Eternity to be erased.

I said I find him disgusting and repulsive, I never said he should be removed.
His inclusion is political pandering, but I never said he should be removed.

Seems since you have no possible way to address my points, lying is your only option.

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

yah, we don't talk about anti-censorship people trying to enact censorship...:zaglol:

Probably because it's literally never happened even once.

[Providence 777]

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

so by normies you mean racist ignorants?

What the hell does race have to do with this?

His costume looks stupid and his voice is annoying.
Remember people had the same complaints about Lucky Chloe in Tekken 7?

It's impossible to communicate these days. Someone can't even ask for a glass of water without being accused of being racist against fish.

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

Anti-cancel culture people are now the ones cancelling. You see how that works? It's a paradox, and unless you admit that it is, you can't hold a cogent position because it slides everywhere.

Literally not happened even once.

People are free to choose to NOT buy something, that's not "cancel culture" to just say "I've lost interest".

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Escrito originalmente por Providence 777:

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

so by normies you mean racist ignorants?

What the hell does race have to do with this?

His costume looks stupid and his voice is annoying.
Remember people had the same complaints about Lucky Chloe in Tekken 7?

It's impossible to communicate these days. Someone can't even ask for a glass of water without being accused of being racist against fish.

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

Anti-cancel culture people are now the ones cancelling. You see how that works? It's a paradox, and unless you admit that it is, you can't hold a cogent position because it slides everywhere.

Literally not happened even once.

People are free to choose to NOT buy something, that's not "cancel culture" to just say "I've lost interest".