Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Shredder's Revenge

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Shredder's Revenge

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April O'Neil but not Casey Jones?
I appreciate the classic tv look of April, but I am no fool. She had about as much combat capacity throughout every element of the show and comics as a stunned lemming. In fact, the show jokes about how many times that woman was kidnapped by Shredder and Krang.

She was artificially given sudden martial arts skills in the CGI movie, which never made any sense to me (though I figure being kidnapped a few hundred times would get tiring).

However, Casey is far more of an iconic fighter to the show...Do you think we will get him at this rate?
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Mumrah の投稿を引用:
She has ZERO fighting skills in the cartoon of the 80's. You really think she will stare down the Foot Clan with a mic in her hand, and shout "Come at me!"? You want things to be extremely accurate, yet you failed in this regard.

Yes, yes I do. Look at my example with Phoenix Wright. The moveset would be staying true to the character. Of COURSE there is no way realistically Phoenix Wright would defeat cosmic-level superheroes, but these crossovers don't exactly take "power levels" into account so much as just simply try to keep the chracters in-character in a fun way.

April is a normal human who cannot jump 10 feet in the air.
April is afraid of rats.
April will not stand her ground against Bebop, the Shredder, or even the weakest Foot.
April cannot pick up a tripod with a full size camera attached and swing it around.
April is the damsel in distress.
Having her stumbling about in the streets "fighting" the Foot sounds stupid. Accurate, but stupid.

And mutant turtles don't exist if you think shouting "REAL LIFE!" somehow nullifies my argument in any way, shape, or form. There is a difference between staying true to the character and just making a simulator game. Just about every fighting game on the planet has characters jumping 10 feet regardless if they are human or not, blocking bullets and swords just by raising their arm to their head, and performing all sorts of nonsense. The difference again, is for crossover games how true they stay to the character or not. Few would be excited that a character they want to play is in the game if it's basically just a skin over another character who fights and acts nothing like them.

You suddenly jump to talking about Phoenix Wright.
He was changed from his anime/game counterpart to MVC3 to be able to fight. He has a bunch of joke moves. I don't even care that he couldn't fight in the anime or other games. It is the entertainment value that you get out of it. Yet, he still somehow has the power to fight literal gods. You kool with that? Why was he added when he is a pencil pusher of a human?

I already covered this. Crossover games never take "power levels" into account, because then only the two or three most powerful characters in the setting would one-shot everyone else. You think Villager or Mario would have any chance trying to punch Samus or take down Ganondorf in Smash? Of course not, but everyone power-wise is put on the same level for the sake of making the game fun. Yet, they don't suddenly give Villager Ninjitsu or Peach Tai-Kuon-Do, their moveset stays true to their character.

There is nothing at all "stupid" about such a moveset, that's exactly how Phoenix Wright works and people loved it.

Princess Toadstool in Smash only has joke type of attacks, yet the lore was disregarded to enable her to go toe to toe with the likes of Bowser. Why? Get her out of here! She can't fight nor does she have the strength to.

I love how you try to go "You are accusing others of strawmen!" while your post was full of them yourself. Did you think by intentionally mis-representing and exaggerating the argument you are somehow making a point instead of just hurting your own argument?

April being made into another Phoenix Wright joke character would be a disservice to the character and her existing lore. I would much rather April be a total badass with martial arts skills. I am willing to suspend my disbelief. I even like to imagine that they considered the comics for her reason to fight in this game.

No, turning her into a martial arts master is what's a total dis-service to the character and lore. It's literally going against the character's lore for the setting this game is using.

You spoke about Samus' character being changed in Other M. I spoke about WOMEN being included for the sake of being included.

And you went off on multiple tangents for the sake of crafting strawmen then didn't even seem to understand what a strawman is by addressing something that isn't even a strawman.

I could not care less about the people who childlessly act like "woman should not be in games", my argument was about April's moveset fitting the character, I don't have an issue with her being in the game, I just want her moveset to reflect her character.

You also mention what other people have said to aid your argument, but you also disregarded mine.

Considering that your whole post was full of strawmen and exaggeration while accusing others of doing the same and added nothing to the conversation, it deserves to be utterly disregarded. You said nothing that had not already been said, you just repeated yourself with strawmen of the same argument over and over while calling out others claiming they were using them.
I'm surprised this conversation is still going. :dazed_yeti:

As everyone who is at all familiar with the original 80's & 90's cartoon knows, April has zero fighting ability. This is well demonstrated in the cartoon many times. She can't even fight off Baxter Stockman and, well...

https://youtu.be/qbYbWm8QRwA?t=55

Personally, I don't especially care but it would be nice to see Casey Jones as well. It's cool with me if they added April to appeal to females and seem inclusive or whatever, but as a guy, I don't really "identify with" amphibious, bi-pedal, teenage mutant ninja turtles raised by a former, Japanese man turned giant rat living in the sewers of New York City either.
最近の変更はVesperasが行いました; 2022年2月22日 6時05分
I just want to play as Usagi Yojimbo
Vesperas の投稿を引用:
I'm surprised this conversation is still going. :dazed_yeti:
https://youtu.be/qbYbWm8QRwA?t=55
that thumbnail looks like he's gonna give her a suplex
Casey Jones is a violent thug who commits crimes and physically assaults children in the film.

April is a powerful feminist who is just as important, if not more so, than the turtles.
look at Street of Rage IV additional characters were added after release with DLC updates, so maybe we will be able to play as Casey or even some villains like Slash.
You might think she should be relegated to a non-combat role if you lived in the 80s where women were just property but in 2022 women have rights now, also SCIENCE has proven that women are stronger than men just FYI bucko. If these developers know what they are doing they will make April the strongest character. Also hnnng ♥♥♥♥ she's hot bros.
April is a well respected journalist, Casey Jones is a violent thuggish degenerate.
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Grog の投稿を引用:
However, Casey is far more of an iconic fighter to the show...Do you think we will get him at this rate?

Not in the old show (the one this game is based on) at least. He's not a main character, he appears just a few times.

I don't know what is the problem and why April can't just learn martial arts. I don't remember Splinter fighting that much neither and there he is in the trailer.

It would be good if they add more characters of course, but I highly doubt Casey Jones will be a playable character on the base game (wish I'm mistaken though).
cmon now.. you know everyone and their mom would expect casey jones before april and splinter
She should be in it, she just shouldn't do martial arts. Give her a gun. In the old movies she tried to fight and gets slapped. She should have like a gun and do tactic rolls. With that being said, I don't really care.

I just rather have better ninja Turtles characters, and abilities. Make them real Ninja since we pressing the boundaries. Miyamoto Usagi Yojimbo would be cool if they can get the rights to the character. Casey Jones. Leather head.
Mumrah 2022年4月11日 17時26分 
Cyber Akuma の投稿を引用:
Mumrah の投稿を引用:
She has ZERO fighting skills in the cartoon of the 80's. You really think she will stare down the Foot Clan with a mic in her hand, and shout "Come at me!"? You want things to be extremely accurate, yet you failed in this regard.

Yes, yes I do. Look at my example with Phoenix Wright. The moveset would be staying true to the character. Of COURSE there is no way realistically Phoenix Wright would defeat cosmic-level superheroes, but these crossovers don't exactly take "power levels" into account so much as just simply try to keep the chracters in-character in a fun way.

April is a normal human who cannot jump 10 feet in the air.
April is afraid of rats.
April will not stand her ground against Bebop, the Shredder, or even the weakest Foot.
April cannot pick up a tripod with a full size camera attached and swing it around.
April is the damsel in distress.
Having her stumbling about in the streets "fighting" the Foot sounds stupid. Accurate, but stupid.

And mutant turtles don't exist if you think shouting "REAL LIFE!" somehow nullifies my argument in any way, shape, or form. There is a difference between staying true to the character and just making a simulator game.

Don't contradict yourself. Do you want to suspend your disbelief or don't you? A point you conveniently ignored. You want to keep comparing the lawyer in a fighting game, yet keep it true to character for April in this game.
In the cartoon, her character does nothing. You want her to somehow do something now? You provided no examples of WHAT April would be doing to somehow fit her character to fight.
I never shouted "Real life". I listed things that pertains to her character. Yet, you assert that her character will straight up stand her ground and fight whatever comes her way. That isn't part of her character. She will hide somewhere trying to take pictures, record something, or praying to the mutant gods she doesn't get taken to an other castle.

You either suspend your disbelief or you stop nitpicking. She learned how to fight in the comics. People can pull inspiration from different places from the same universe to supplement their story/media. That is good enough for me.

https://doknowbutchie.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/tales-of-the-tmnt-vol-2-27-frontispiece-sept-2006.jpg
If the "truu geimers" complaining about the inclusion of April O'Neil would spend even half of that time and energy to discuss things actually meaningful for the overall gaming experience such as the balancing between different characters, what kind of netcode the game would use, enemy and level designs, available game modes and so on. For example, it might be interesting to see alternative mode combining the Konami-like beat 'em up gameplay with less linear level structure and character development similar to The Manhattan Missions.

Similarly, they try to present themselves as the "real fans" of the franchise and yet there is very little discussion from them about how to use the source material creatively and interestingly in manner that benefits the game beyond complaining about April. The amount of episodes, the one-shot characters who could have used more screen time and so on, which could make interesting building blocks for the game.

Also, the development teams at Konami weren't overly concerned with sticking slavishly to the established canon of the animated series and often games were better for that, as seen in, say, the SNES version of Tournament Fighters, which included characters from the Archie comics and Karai from the Mirage comics. And the contemporary fans didn't mind at all - rather, they often appreciated such creative, yet knowing use of the source material. Neither were they particularly concerned about turtles and other established characters using previously unseen special moves in TT.

Of course, I don't really know how many of these people are serious and how many are just trolls trying to stir drama for ? and Profit. In either case, they are still spending the same amount of their own time and energy. Besides, spending excessive amounts of time in echo chambers constantly screaming stuff like "SJWs are coming for our cultural heritage", "get woke, go broke" and "anti-white activism gone wild" doesn't sound that healthy to the mind, either.
Kai の投稿を引用:
I dont have 2 X chromosomes
Tell me you don't have a female friend/significant other without telling me you don't have a female friend/significant other. :tfhfred:

Kai の投稿を引用:
japanese arent morons
Yeah, I know. Especially the female fans.[d1o4yetxfrqord.cloudfront.net] :steammocking:

Terminator X の投稿を引用:
It's funny, if someone told Hitler the next WW would be about ♥♥♥♥ like this, I'd wanna see his reaction.
I think Hitler would have other things on his mind.[i.imgur.com]
Kai 2022年4月14日 0時28分 
DamoclesAlpha の投稿を引用:
Kai の投稿を引用:
I dont have 2 X chromosomes
Tell me you don't have a female friend/significant other without telling me you don't have a female friend/significant other. :tfhfred:

Kai の投稿を引用:
japanese arent morons
Yeah, I know. Especially the female fans.[d1o4yetxfrqord.cloudfront.net] :steammocking:

Terminator X の投稿を引用:
It's funny, if someone told Hitler the next WW would be about ♥♥♥♥ like this, I'd wanna see his reaction.
I think Hitler would have other things on his mind.[i.imgur.com]
lol, classic triggered meme stuff.
Kai の投稿を引用:
DamoclesAlpha の投稿を引用:
Tell me you don't have a female friend/significant other without telling me you don't have a female friend/significant other. :tfhfred:


Yeah, I know. Especially the female fans.[d1o4yetxfrqord.cloudfront.net] :steammocking:


I think Hitler would have other things on his mind.[i.imgur.com]
lol, classic triggered meme stuff.
You wouldn't win even a single swordfight in the Monkey Island with stuff like that, methinks. :steammocking:
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