What ogryn build is best liked in end game?

[Lycon]

I love myself the shield. But the middle tree feels less tanky than the left one with the bleed stacking. So was thinking of going taunt+left tree?

[Thumb]

I find that for a ranged build, with the right middle ability, you go the middle toughness route, and then you get stamina for melee spam, using this ability to CC most creeps...then you can have your allies deal with them, and almost any weapon melee wise will work.

I recommend bleed build for a lot of people because its fun, but I also highly recommend all the routes.

The crit builds are so fun. I have the stubber+crit+crit damage, and its so gosh darn fun, I run it with a taunt middle route.

With taunt I go with the damage bonus, and then I get the crit cdr build, and its a fun go.

With the bull rush builds I highly highly recommend the middle final tree, as I feel you need the passive toughness and damage reduction, but you might really really appreciate any of the passive auras. I think one of the most unique auras is the suppression damage one, but ultimately, toughness and melee feel more consistent for most builds, and only really go the suppression build if you have a specific goal for your ranged weapon.

You can go suppression and then go middle tier, ignoring the final bits of the gun lugger tree.

Its all very fun.

[Lycon]

Originally posted by Dwarving:

I find that for a ranged build, with the right middle ability, you go the middle toughness route, and then you get stamina for melee spam, using this ability to CC most creeps...then you can have your allies deal with them, and almost any weapon melee wise will work.

I recommend bleed build for a lot of people because its fun, but I also highly recommend all the routes.

The crit builds are so fun. I have the stubber+crit+crit damage, and its so gosh darn fun, I run it with a taunt middle route.

With taunt I go with the damage bonus, and then I get the crit cdr build, and its a fun go.

With the bull rush builds I highly highly recommend the middle final tree, as I feel you need the passive toughness and damage reduction, but you might really really appreciate any of the passive auras. I think one of the most unique auras is the suppression damage one, but ultimately, toughness and melee feel more consistent for most builds, and only really go the suppression build if you have a specific goal for your ranged weapon.

You can go suppression and then go middle tier, ignoring the final bits of the gun lugger tree.

Its all very fun.

About the middle for thougness etc. I feel a lot more though with the left one. cause of the dmg reduction while bleeding and 15% dmg reduction from charging heavies wich I always do.

[Steinar]

I can't tell you what most people want on the team (don't think anyone can).

You'll want to pick up Batter and Delight in Destruction if you're going to play with a Shield. If you go into Heavy Hitter for damage, or Feel No Pain for dmg reduction, that's up to you. But you should definitely feel the presence or lack thereof of both these talents. Feel No Pain makes you tanky without needing setup-time like Delight in Destruction does.

[Lycon]

Originally posted by Steinar:

I can't tell you what most people want on the team (don't think anyone can).

You'll want to pick up Batter and Delight in Destruction if you're going to play with a Shield. If you go into Heavy Hitter for damage, or Feel No Pain for dmg reduction, that's up to you. But you should definitely feel presence or lack thereof of both these talents. Feel No Pain makes you tanky without needing setup-time like Delight in Destruction does.

whats batter and delight? Cant fight it. also destruction tree is left right? I dont know all the names yet.

[Xhal]

Taunt Ogryn with shield and bleed build is best. Do tons of damage and tank everything.

[Majestic]

Thicc Ogryn main here; The Answer is, Is that there is no Answer. Ogryn is in a spot where its the best its ever been. Wan't Melee focus. Go left tree w/bleeds and Toughness regen. Want to shoot stuff and make your vet pals both mad and jealous that you are not only taking all the ammo, But using it more effectively then them! Go right tree/w A few toughness resist/regen nodes. And though its weapon dependent, Fire is the go-to in most cases for the big Dakka and Elite/Special/Boss melting power.

Mid-tree is kind of lack luster, But with the right nodes you can make it work. Though in most cases, The best form of CC is pure offense in DT. as such. Charge and Dakka Abilities are king.

[Boikinov]

I use the Krourk Mk IV Cleaver + Gauntlet, and choose the left melee + bleed tree
The Mk IV forward stab to the head can eliminate most elite in close range
Gauntlet to snipe most specialist in one hit
To crowd control, just fast 2 forward stabs then light + heavy repeatly. Works just like the Bull Butcher Mk III, but with faster repeat pattern
The cleaver special action (uppercut punch) is very very very useful against mauler, rager and crusher. It instantly stagger a rager in frenzy, and any mauler or crusher that just about to hammer down on your head
With some skill, you can solo any three of them combined with no problem
Just uppercut those still stand then stab to the head
You can lower the Bulwark's shield with one Gauntlet hit, but you'd better deal with it with a teammate

When you see armored heavy patrols approach, use Gauntlet to knock them down first, start from the crusher. Most of the time your teammate can kill them in range. If not and they still close in, use your charge skill to knock them all down and start stabbing them in head

With this build, you can do insane damage to elite and specialist, and can still swim in crowd of lesser enemies. I call it the Orgyn Commando BD

[Arani]

Originally posted by Lycon:

I love myself the shield. But the middle tree feels less tanky than the left one with the bleed stacking. So was thinking of going taunt+left tree?

The middle tree is plenty strong. Sure you want the bleeds but you can get them and everything relevant about the middle too. Here's my favorite T5+ oggy build as an example:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9aa49f14-9638-487f-9ead-bf66ec2bfd26

Oggies have many ways to build strong, particularly with PBB and a Kickback, but this tank build is definitely up there as one of the very strongest builds I've ever made with an oggy. Note that like all builds the talents aren't absolute, I tend to change them around and most of the time I've gone with the Heavy Hitter keystone instead of Feel No Pain. Also Pained Outburst (from the keystone, pushes enemies back when FNP reaches 0 stacks, can free you from dogs!) can easily be swapped with Payback Time (above that keystone, +20% dmg when anything hits you) for more offense. And the weapons and curios are just what I'm using with it rn, so you go with whatever you have. Kickback pairs very well with shields too instead of GG, and if you got the skill toughness curios tend to be the best overall. But I wanted to make a dedicated tank build so I splurged and got some different curios to spice it up, and the extra stamina & stamina regeneration actually comes in real handy with how stamina intensive the shield is.

Now there's a LOT more to playing tonks than just the build itself. So at the risk of some of this stuff being obvious, here are some tips many of which are absolutely vital:

• You deal damage & heavy CC, that is your role. Do not simply turtle behind the shield or you'll be useless. Obviously you prioritize survival but make no mistake, this build is extremely powerful offensively.
  
• Shield 1:st heavy deals almost 2.5x more damage and 2x more stagger than the second, and is also ideal for headshot cleaves unlike the second heavy. So your best combo by far is heavy + cancel + repeat (you can cancel a combo by tapping block). You can also do heavy + light + light + repeat. Heavy + heavy isn't wrong per-se and sometimes you have no time to do the heavy + cancel combo, but avoid that whenever you can.
  
• Pushing taunts mobs and lowers the CD of your ult, make it into your habit to spam push liberally into everything all the time to keep them focused on you. Then start smashing them with the combos above.
  
• The shield push+attack is insane. The attack itself is a strong overhead weakspot strike that you can weave into combos. But because that attack is preceded with an AoE push, this move combines taunt, interrupt & stagger, horde control, procs several talents and blessings like Skullcrusher, and finally the attack part benefits from those buffs to deliver extremely high damage. It's the ideal tool for picking off specials and elites in a crowd while managing the crowd itself both at the same time.
  
• Blocking with the the shield taunts enemies, including ranged. Taunted ranged will not just focus on you, but run into melee instead. So you can grab aggro off your teammates by going between them and whatever ranged is shooting at them to block those shots and effectively just remove the ranged as a problem then and there.
  
• Shield weapon special is deceptively faster than its animation. Often the best way to use it is not to just sit behind it, but instead use it reactively just 0.5 seconds before a sniper shot or a mauler/crusher strike, then release it and go back to bonking.
  
• Many don't seem to know this but the shield weapon special also blocks all melee from *all around you*, even behind. But it only blocks ranged from the front. So you can literally run into the middle of a massive horde of crushers and maulers, taunt them all, and hold the special even if they're hitting you from behind. So long as you make sure to face the direction of the ranged with your block.
  
• The Loyal Protector ult doesn't say it but it staggers *everything* in its radius. So you can also use it pre-emptively to knock down bursters or stagger bosses etc.
  
• And finally, while I said this build is extremely offensively powerful and you shouldn't only focus on blocking, that doesn't mean neglecting block either.
  
  You almost always want to approach mobs by holding block, to ensure any stray hits from melee or ranged are taunted. But between the blocking and all the push & push attack spamming, you will be constantly burning stamina. But just attacking lets your stamina recover. So your gameplay loop is basically about constantly pushing anything that isn't glowing red, blocking ranged, and then spamming heavies while using dodge to prevent the mobs from hitting you as you recover your stamina, rinse repeat.
  
• Edit: And finally finally, remember that you are big and you get in the way of your team. *Always* fight on the sides unless you absolutely have to get in to the center to block those enemy shots. Your team often can't shoot through you, and even if they can they can't hit what they can't see.

I'm sure there's something else but that's all I remember now. Have fun OP!

[Xhal]

I run this.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9aa4a7fc-74ae-4279-b554-14f3dbc7bfd3

[luZk]

Bullbutcher 3 & Ripper 2.

[Steinar]

Originally posted by Lycon:

whats batter and delight? Cant fight it. also destruction tree is left right? I dont know all the names yet.

Hehe, sorry about that. I can see why it's confusing. I've highlighted the talent names in my previous post. There's no Destruction tree. The full name of the talent is Delight in Destruction. It gives 10% dmg reduction per bleeding enemy in melee range. Batter is the famous +4 Bleed stacks on Heavy attacks talent.

[Lycon]

Originally posted by Steinar:

Originally posted by Lycon:

whats batter and delight? Cant fight it. also destruction tree is left right? I dont know all the names yet.

Hehe, sorry about that. I can see why it's confusing. I've highlighted the talent names in my previous post. There's no Destruction tree. The full name of the talent is Delight in Destruction. It gives 10% dmg reduction per bleeding enemy in melee range. Batter is the famous +4 Bleed stacks on Heavy attacks talent.

oooh yeah I use those! also the one in middle ttree 1% dmg for every enemy hit with heavy hit.

[megamisto]

explosives, because no other class can bring a gren launcher or gren gauntlet, you have most explosives. except psyker with exploding staff i guess but they will get brain worms and perish if they used it a lot

[AshGear]

DAaakkka dakka dakka!! Dakka dakka dakkaaaaaA!!

[Poison]

I like using taunt-ogryn with shovel, shotty and rocks. I have an answer for anything and shovel-slap can stunlock any boss. Shovel for hordes and elites and shotgun for specials. Rock is mostly for mutie spam. With taunt I remove pressure and force ranged into melee. Aurics are mostly a breeze with that build. Shotgun also doesn't use a lot of ammo.