What happened to the races of ancient times?

[Cercamon]

I'm not that much into Warhammer lore but in Total War there are lots of races, what happened to the Dwarf for example, did they extinct?

[AzZotik]

Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40000 are not the same universe, that is the short answer.

[Cercamon]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย AzZotik:

Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40000 are not the same universe, that is the short answer.

I see

[AzZotik]

Local Elves - Aeldari were created by the Old Ones already a spacefaring Empire fighting local rendition of Tomb Kings - Necrontir among the stars.
Local Orks were created as a biological superweapon against Necrontir and degraded over the centuries of infighting once war ended.
Local Dwarves - Squats are a DRG-style mining corporation ruled by AI supercomputer Votann, others were completely wiped when Tyranids (hungry Starcraft spacebugs) invaded their lands.
And so forth, they are not same races, more like there are races in 40000 inspired by Fantasy races, like Ogres for example being part of Imperium of Man - Ogryn, abhumans.

If you are interested in what happened to Warhammer Fantasy after End Times, it's not 40,000, look at Age of Sigmar, that's (a horrible) continuation of Warhammer Fantasy.

Warhammer 40,000 (and Starcraft by extent) was created as a joke, what would happen to this universe if it was no longer high medieval, that eventually grew into it's own standalone universe and has no direct ties to Warhammer Fantasy. Starcraft was planned to be a Warhammer 40000 game but they had a fight with Games Workshop and lost license, turning it into a standalone game that heavily borrows from Warhammer.

[Formous]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Cercamon:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย AzZotik:

Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40000 are not the same universe, that is the short answer.

I see

If you like, Luetin and Arch have break downs of tons and tons of different lore elements.

[Cercamon]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย AzZotik:

Local Elves - Aeldari were created by the Old Ones already a spacefaring Empire fighting local rendition of Tomb Kings - Necrontir among the stars.
Local Orks were created as a biological superweapon against Necrontir and degraded over the centuries of infighting once war ended.
Local Dwarves - Squats are a DRG-style mining corporation ruled by AI supercomputer Votann, others were completely wiped when Tyranids (hungry Starcraft spacebugs) invaded their lands.
And so forth, they are not same races, more like there are races in 40000 inspired by Fantasy races, like Ogres for example being part of Imperium of Man - Ogryn, abhumans.

If you are interested in what happened to Warhammer Fantasy after End Times, it's not 40,000, look at Age of Sigmar, that's (a horrible) continuation of Warhammer Fantasy.

Warhammer 40,000 (and Starcraft by extent) was created as a joke, what would happen to this universe if it was no longer high medieval, that eventually grew into it's own standalone universe and has no direct ties to Warhammer Fantasy. Starcraft was planned to be a Warhammer 40000 game but they had a fight with Games Workshop and lost license, turning it into a standalone game that heavily borrows from Warhammer.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Formous:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Cercamon:

I see

If you like, Luetin and Arch have break downs of tons and tons of different lore elements.

I have been reading lore as to why Cadia is gone and what happened in Atoma or the Emperor of Mankind, what's the Warp and blablabla. There's just too much.

[Diakoptes]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Formous:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Cercamon:

I see

If you like, Luetin and Arch have break downs of tons and tons of different lore elements.

arch has the most annoying speech impediment tho

[AzZotik]

I can give you a rundown we give to newcomers in the Tabletop RPG group:
- Good old Terra (Earth) during most prosperous times, settling the galaxy and being technologically advanced spacefaring cool civilization until 25,000
- Humans created super advanced AI that led to Men of Iron (sentient robots) rebelling against humanity and descending it into apocalyptic Mad Max times.
- Big E (Emperor of Mankind) a huge Conan the Techno-Barbarian united the tribes of techno-barbarians using first proto-spacemarines (large 2.3 meter tall humans genetically modified 2 hears, 3 lungs and whatever else) and used them to conquer Terra.
- Big E attacks technologically superior Mars, where humans regressed into a cult of hoarding and preserving technology, augmenting themselves with metal parts to do so better than humans (but no AI, remember what Men of Iron did). They end up accepting him as avatar of their Technological God "Omnissiah".
- Big E launches Great Crusade from Terra, using Space Marines to conquer the lost colonies of Mankind and Galaxy. To do that he invented Astronomican, a giant beacon of psychic energy Astropaths (special psyker mutant sensitive to Warp Currents) can use to navigate the galaxy.
- Big Heresy happens that really screws Humanity and puts Big E on a life-support chair, where he uses remains of his psychic prowess to keep Astronomican alight, thousands of psykers are sacrificed to Emperor to help him remain conscious.
- Without leadership of Big E, Imperium relies on a very corrupt strained galaxy-wide bureaucracy, united in faith praising the Emperor to reduce chances of mutation, heresy and attention of Chaos Gods.
- Things get worse and worse and worse, but Imperium endures.
- Chaos shenanigans get so out of control the Imperium gets split in half by a huge colossal half the galaxy-wide Warp Storm. We are here, trying to fight back basically everything at this point.

[Ishan451]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Cercamon:

I'm not that much into Warhammer lore but in Total War there are lots of races, what happened to the Dwarf for example, did they extinct?

Warhammer Fantasy used to be a planet unreachable by Warpstorms in the Warhammer 40k universe. The Slann were the last remenants of the Old Ones. This got retconned in the 4th or 5th Edition and the two got seperated. Before that it was strongly hinted that Sigmar was one of the missing Primarchs.

The Dwarves had their home systems eaten by the Tyranids, but recently got a Revival with the Leagues of Voltann. There are also the Demiurge, which are described as Dwarves, working with the Tau Empire.

The Slann do not exist in the 40k Universe. The Old Ones are assumed to be extinct. The Necron are the other "Old race" with their Sun Devouring Ctan Gods. They are sleeping on many planets. Legend has it that one of the Ctan is even sleeping on Mars and is known as the Dragon, which jump started the development of the Mechanicum.

Elves birthed the Chaos God of excess, Slanesh, thus their Empire fell. They used to be the Dominant Species in the Universe, aka the Eldar or as GW wants them called these days the Aeldari, because that is a name they can Trademark. The Eldar exist in 4 factions. The Wild Eldar, who exist on Maidenworlds and have entirely eshewed Technology. They are technically still out there, that is where you get your Bow Wielding Dinoriders, but there is no models for them. Then you have the Craftworld Eldar, who used to be, before the fall, basically the super conservatives, who went and build huge Ships because they didn't want to be part of the Decadence of the main Eldar anymore. The Dark Eldar, lead by the guy responsible for the Birth of Slaanesh... he was a slave, about to be executed, but managed to escape when Slaanesh came to be and started eating things left, right and center. He lead most of the survivors into the Webway, where they founded a city and exist to this day. They need to replenish their souls as Slaanesh is still "consuming" them. Which is why they capture other beings and basically use their souls to replenish their own... in all those ways Slaanesh likes it.

Then you have the Orks, who like Eldar and Jokaero, got created by the Old Ones to fight the Necron... they are currently kept small by the Space Marines and because some Inquisitor had the idea to direct the Tyranids into them. Orks get more technologically advanced as they get more numerous. So a few are basically primitive savages, but get a few starships together and they build a Deathstar that can Teleport to Terra (yes, that happened).

Jokaero are pacifict in nature, and are one of the few Xeno races not only tolerated but protected by the Empire. They are some of the best engineers in the Universe and the Inquisition generally uses them to build weapons.

Tyranids... nobody knows where they come from or what they are. We know they very probably were called to Galaxy because someone activated a Psychic Beacon around the time of the Heresy. This has lead to many fan theories of the Tyranids being also an Old One creation. Especially since they seem to avoid Tombworlds or worlds with Necrons on them. For a long time it was a Theory that the Old Ones, who wanted to perserve Live at all cost, created the Tyranids as a last ditch effort to win against the Necron. And that the "mission" of the Tyranids is to consume all live, starve out the Necrons, and then basically go in reverse and reseed life once the Necrons are gone. This ties with the whole idea of Tyranids collecting all Biomass and such. Again, this is a fan theory. No official theory exists why the Tyranids exist and where they come from. All people know is that the first invasion fleet nearly ate the Galaxy as a whole, and when a lot of effort was expended to stop it and break its neck, people realized a couple more Hive Fleets showed up while everyone was busy narrowly escaping death.


And that should cover pretty much all the big ones in a Nutshell. If you are curious, i do recommend reading the Lexicanum Wikipedia, and the sources marked on there to learn more. Lots of stuff gets Retconned all the time, and Warhammer 40k existed since the 90ties, with a lot of auxillary stuff existing... which is why everyone pretty much has their own pet universe and how things are supposed to be... and why you shouldn't be listening to anyone, but instead read the sources for yourself whenever possible. You will find that a lot of people, myself included, will tell you things are one way, when the sources tell you they are actually entirely different. And that is using just primary sources. When you add in secondary and tertiary sources like Roleplaying games and such, as many youtubers do it, you get a lot of stupid ♥♥♥♥, like Bolters ripping peoples arms off when they are fired, which is entirely a Fantasy Flight Pen&Paper bullshittery to explain why players shouldn't start out with a Bolter. (Much like Star Wars has their: "Light Sabers need the force to be wielded, normal people can't use them" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ coming from Pen&Paper games for a similar reason)

Anyway, if you want bad lore, youtube is your place to be. You get exactly as much useful information as you are willing to put effort into it. The "Fan Wiki" that is higher in the rankings is a little better than youtube, but still filled with a lot of BS. Then 4Chan's stuff is usually better, but also its 4Chan. Then Lexicanum, who is the oldest Wiki with the most sweaty nerds on it.. comes with a lot of sources and such, this is a proper Wiki. And beyond that, putting in the effort and run down the actual sources is the best way to do it. As even Lexicanum is full of sweaty neckbeards telling you XYZ happened and write an entire paragraph about it, and when you look at the source, its a throwaway sentence on the side of a painting guide, from which the information was extrapolated. And everyone used Lexicanum to write their ♥♥♥♥. So by the time you reach Youtube videos, you are like 3-4 degrees removed from the source materials.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย AzZotik:

- Humans created super advanced AI that led to Men of Iron (sentient robots) rebelling against humanity and descending it into apocalyptic Mad Max times.

Sapient, not sentient. Your dog/cat/goldfish is sentient. They have senses and feelings. Sapience is higher cognitive functions. The bar for sentience isn't high. There are some plants that can meet some definitions of sentience.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย AzZotik:

- Big Heresy happens that really screws Humanity and puts Big E on a life-support chair, where he uses remains of his psychic prowess to keep Astronomican alight, thousands of psykers are sacrificed to Emperor to help him remain conscious.

That is the propaganda, yes, but technically he keeps his failed Warpgate closed to prevent Terra from becoming a 2nd eye of Terror. The Astronomicon existed long before he had to sit on the chair.

[Dr. Merkwürdiglieben]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Diakoptes:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Formous:

If you like, Luetin and Arch have break downs of tons and tons of different lore elements.

arch has the most annoying speech impediment tho

Also his mixing of fluff with his stupid politics made me stop watching.

I don't mind his views, even if I disagree.
I just don't care & found it really annoying, as it became a bigger and bigger part of his lore videos...

If he would just do fluff and stop about China already,
I might have not stopped or cared...

[Formous]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Cercamon:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย AzZotik:

Local Elves - Aeldari were created by the Old Ones already a spacefaring Empire fighting local rendition of Tomb Kings - Necrontir among the stars.
Local Orks were created as a biological superweapon against Necrontir and degraded over the centuries of infighting once war ended.
Local Dwarves - Squats are a DRG-style mining corporation ruled by AI supercomputer Votann, others were completely wiped when Tyranids (hungry Starcraft spacebugs) invaded their lands.
And so forth, they are not same races, more like there are races in 40000 inspired by Fantasy races, like Ogres for example being part of Imperium of Man - Ogryn, abhumans.

If you are interested in what happened to Warhammer Fantasy after End Times, it's not 40,000, look at Age of Sigmar, that's (a horrible) continuation of Warhammer Fantasy.

Warhammer 40,000 (and Starcraft by extent) was created as a joke, what would happen to this universe if it was no longer high medieval, that eventually grew into it's own standalone universe and has no direct ties to Warhammer Fantasy. Starcraft was planned to be a Warhammer 40000 game but they had a fight with Games Workshop and lost license, turning it into a standalone game that heavily borrows from Warhammer.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Formous:

If you like, Luetin and Arch have break downs of tons and tons of different lore elements.

I have been reading lore as to why Cadia is gone and what happened in Atoma or the Emperor of Mankind, what's the Warp and blablabla. There's just too much.

For the simple, I suppose. The Imperium needs such.