Veteran Talent Tree needs a trim

[smolbon]

Veteran tree is really bloated compared to other classes. Its the only tree where just not taking a keystone ability is (comparatively) a pretty good option because of how point starved it is. It badly needs like 2-4 tax nodes removed to be on par with the other classes and allow for a little bit of build choice. I would also really like for tactical reload to be in a less inconvenient place. You essentially have to spend 2 points for it, which is brutal with the current state of the talent tree, but its a talent I've always liked for game feel.

[bacon]

its been very compressed, you can really take what you want now.

and those keystones all suck, avoid them.

in fact, most keystones suck. i use the heavy attack one on ogryn and thats it. zealot, veteran and psyker, no keystones.

[Ogard]

In some way i think i get what you mean, but we could also.....
expand all the trees with alot more nodes so there is more variety.

Just add 50+ nodes to them so there are so many builds its hard to keep track :-)
aslong as the nodes are added horisontally so they dont make the tree longer

[Hexagoros]

Originally posted by Ogard:

In some way i think i get what you mean, but we could also.....
expand all the trees with alot more nodes so there is more variety.

Just add 50+ nodes to them so there are so many builds its hard to keep track :-)
aslong as the nodes are added horisontally so they dont make the tree longer

Oh God no. Just no.

I say trim the Vet tree so it's more in line with the others.

The Psyker, Ogryn, and Zealot trees are really good right now, and allow for variety. The Vet tree, by comparison is 'still' too bloated compared to the others.

[Rama]

Leave the veteran alone!

[cith]

Tree is great no more bait

[ionkiller]

Veteran's talent tree literally got buffed 3 times now, stop asking for more buffs when they were *perfectly* fine when they *didn't* have keystones.

[Muscarine]

Haha

[HeavySloth]

Originally posted by bacon:

its been very compressed, you can really take what you want now.

and those keystones all suck, avoid them.

in fact, most keystones suck. i use the heavy attack one on ogryn and thats it. zealot, veteran and psyker, no keystones.

Yeah 30% dmg increase for all team ♥♥♥♥ it
75% finesse ranged power ♥♥♥♥ it
33% crit chance ♥♥♥♥ it
Veteran is overpowered right now and if u don't know what buildcraft it ur skill issue problem

[Licher.Rus]

Originally posted by HeavySloth:

Originally posted by bacon:

its been very compressed, you can really take what you want now.

and those keystones all suck, avoid them.

in fact, most keystones suck. i use the heavy attack one on ogryn and thats it. zealot, veteran and psyker, no keystones.

Yeah 30% dmg increase for all team ♥♥♥♥ it
75% finesse ranged power ♥♥♥♥ it
33% crit chance ♥♥♥♥ it
Veteran is overpowered right now and if u don't know what buildcraft it ur skill issue problem

Care to show us a build with that keystones?

[darth.crevette]

Originally posted by bacon:

in fact, most keystones suck. i use the heavy attack one on ogryn and thats it. zealot, veteran and psyker, no keystones.

Dude, Feel no Pain on the Ogryn is literally a lifesaver lol

[EisenhowerShower]

Originally posted by Licher.Rus:

Originally posted by HeavySloth:

Yeah 30% dmg increase for all team ♥♥♥♥ it
75% finesse ranged power ♥♥♥♥ it
33% crit chance ♥♥♥♥ it
Veteran is overpowered right now and if u don't know what buildcraft it ur skill issue problem

Care to show us a build with that keystones?

Weapon Specialist is an excellent keystone, and Focus Target allows you and your teammates to hit break points extremely easily.
The left keystone is garbage though.

[Black Hammer]

I like the middle tree keystone (Focus Target, I think?). It's a really nice damage buff and toughness heal for basically the entire team. That it procs when the enemy dies, not when you kill it, makes it really nice.

Someone steals your kill? Doesn't matter.
Enemy falls off edge and dies or explodes or is killed by a barrel? Doesn't matter.

As long as the enemy is unalived, your team gets toughness and a damage buff. It doesn't take anything away from my ability to use different weapons or play offensively/defensively depending on the rhythm of the match.

[ionkiller]

Originally posted by darth.crevette:

Dude, Feel no Pain on the Ogryn is literally a lifesaver lol

It's useless if you're not making *real* use of it - which goes for literally every keystone. A lot of them are gimmicks meant to add onto your build, to get extra value out of something, not *be* the build.

My Ogryn build only uses the 7% Toughness Gain on Chained attacks, no keystone. Was always topped off on my toughness and health even against a horde of elites and ranged.

[Licher.Rus]

Originally posted by EisenhowerShower:

Originally posted by Licher.Rus:

Care to show us a build with that keystones?

Weapon Specialist is an excellent keystone, and Focus Target allows you and your teammates to hit break points extremely easily.
The left keystone is garbage though.

I not askid which keystones are exellent or not
I asked for a full build.

[bacon]

Originally posted by darth.crevette:

Originally posted by bacon:

in fact, most keystones suck. i use the heavy attack one on ogryn and thats it. zealot, veteran and psyker, no keystones.

Dude, Feel no Pain on the Ogryn is literally a lifesaver lol

ogryn has enough toughness reduction and gain. the 10% attack speed from the left keystone is necessary to prevent enemies getting in between your strikes, and overall DPS.