Infantry vs Recon lasguns

[XxuLTRAgoddemonDragonslayerxX420]

Is there any point in using the infantry lasgun? I feel like it is way underpowered, its dps is lower, has recoil, cant deal with hordes, and the recon has a slow fire rate variant that almost behaves similiarly. I can see the appeal with the Helbore because it actually can do damage and can somehow deal with hordes with the bayonet but the Infantry just feels inferior to the Recon

[Tunnfisk]

Originally posted by XxuLTRAgoddemonDragonslayerxX420:

Is there any point in using the infantry lasgun? I feel like it is way underpowered, its dps is lower, has recoil, cant deal with hordes, and the recon has a slow fire rate variant that almost behaves similiarly. I can see the appeal with the Helbore because it actually can do damage and can somehow deal with hordes with the bayonet but the Infantry just feels inferior to the Recon

Different playstyles and tastes. I like it when my guns go "BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR".

[XxuLTRAgoddemonDragonslayerxX420]

Originally posted by Tunnfisk:

Originally posted by XxuLTRAgoddemonDragonslayerxX420:

Is there any point in using the infantry lasgun? I feel like it is way underpowered, its dps is lower, has recoil, cant deal with hordes, and the recon has a slow fire rate variant that almost behaves similiarly. I can see the appeal with the Helbore because it actually can do damage and can somehow deal with hordes with the bayonet but the Infantry just feels inferior to the Recon

Different playstyles and tastes. I like it when my guns go "BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR".

If the playstyle for the Infantry is to stay calm and kill elites/specials, you should just aim with the boltgun, use the heavy laspistol, or bolt pistol I feel like those weapons do the job better and the bolt weapons can fight hordes too.

Recon with the extra fire rate buff goes insane, definition of BRRRR

[Tunnfisk]

Originally posted by XxuLTRAgoddemonDragonslayerxX420:

Originally posted by Tunnfisk:

Different playstyles and tastes. I like it when my guns go "BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR".

If the playstyle for the Infantry is to stay calm and kill elites/specials

You can do this with any gun. Some are easier than others. I personally find full-auto to be more enjoyable, and better in just about every game Vs. semi-auto. Darktide is no exception.

[Jez]

this lasgun is my go-to it's quite powerful and reliable, it deals massive headshot damage, has a torch & custom sight, i deal with hordes quite well with this gun, it's just a reliable accurate alternative to melee so with it i end up making best use of both (at Heresey level anyway) - for example if i use the recon lasgun instead then i barely do any melee, not as fun . . .

[KTVindicare]

Originally posted by XxuLTRAgoddemonDragonslayerxX420:

Is there any point in using the infantry lasgun? I feel like it is way underpowered, its dps is lower, has recoil, cant deal with hordes, and the recon has a slow fire rate variant that almost behaves similiarly. I can see the appeal with the Helbore because it actually can do damage and can somehow deal with hordes with the bayonet but the Infantry just feels inferior to the Recon

Ammo Efficiency. The Recon Lasgun has better DPS sure but it eats through ammo like crazy. Get two of them on the same team and watch how quickly ammo becomes a real problem.

A teammate with an Infantry Lasgun benefits the entire team because he needs far less ammo for his gun than anyone else does, which frees up available ammo for ammo hungry guns like Bolters, Recon Lasguns and Twin Linked Stubbers.

[XxuLTRAgoddemonDragonslayerxX420]

Originally posted by KTVindicare:

Ammo Efficiency. The Recon Lasgun has better DPS sure but it eats through ammo like crazy. Get two of them on the same team and watch how quickly ammo becomes a real problem.

A teammate with an Infantry Lasgun benefits the entire team because he needs far less ammo for his gun than anyone else does, which frees up available ammo for ammo hungry guns like Bolters, Recon Lasguns and Twin Linked Stubbers.

Thats a good reason, but I would personally use a weapon that is ammo efficient but also does great work like the Revolver, Helbore, or Laspistol. Infantry is just subpar

[Jez]

well this lasgun is most effective against gunners and other distant targets, it's not a messy weapon, as enemies get closer then melee is sufficient, it's tactically a very competent weapon, i help the team the most with it - meanwhile i find some recon users just blow-up all the barrels and harm the team a lot, it's a messy weapon, and yes they use a lot of ammo

[KTVindicare]

Originally posted by XxuLTRAgoddemonDragonslayerxX420:

Originally posted by KTVindicare:

Ammo Efficiency. The Recon Lasgun has better DPS sure but it eats through ammo like crazy. Get two of them on the same team and watch how quickly ammo becomes a real problem.

A teammate with an Infantry Lasgun benefits the entire team because he needs far less ammo for his gun than anyone else does, which frees up available ammo for ammo hungry guns like Bolters, Recon Lasguns and Twin Linked Stubbers.

Thats a good reason, but I would personally use a weapon that is ammo efficient but also does great work like the Revolver, Helbore, or Laspistol. Infantry is just subpar

The Revolver is not always ammo efficient, well it depends on how you're using it. A Revolver in the hands of a Zealot that spends 90% of his time in melee is fine as long as someone else on the team is dealing with enemy shooters, but if you need to start using it to take out enemy non-elite shooters you'll quickly find yourself running out of ammo for it as well.

As far as the Helbore goes, I actually GREATLY prefer the Infantry Lasguns to the Helbore personally. The sights on it are better and its much easier to consistently hit headshots with it especially since I don't need to charge up the shots. I totally understand why someone that prefers the Helbore would though since it has armor piercing capability the Infantry Lasguns lack, but IMO the better handling and accuracy on the Infantry Lasguns is preferable. Also the obvious should be mentioned as well. The Helbores are only usable by the Veteran Sharpshooter, while Zealot and Psyker can also use the Infantry Lasguns.

As for the Laspistol you've got me stumped there. The Laspistols the Accatran in particular are just ridiculously good weapons. I have a genuinely difficult time not using them for EVERY build I run because of how strong they are. They have it all, mobility, accuracy, ammo efficiency, DPS, the works. They're even better than you'd think against Carapace armor. Just a super strong gun, maybe a little too strong.

[Bum Ghost]

they have a reverse damage curve - anything over 20 meters away effectively takes 15-25% more damage

lasgun's 'main feature' is its ammo cOnSeRvAtIon. the artifically inflated ammo count makes scavenger work 'better'.
stack critical hit chance and critical burn on the recon lasguns and they wack heavies pretty fast
stack headshhot mods on the infantry lasguns and they take ragers down pretty fast, regularly 1-shotting them with no issue

[v4nd4hl]

If you are good at consistently hitting heads, infantry lasguns outperform recon lasguns especially on havoc diff because of ghost blessing.

infantry lasguns: superior ammo eco, scales really well with players aiming skills, the further away the better they are in comparison (no damage fall off), bad at fanning and hip firing
good stand alone weapon, I regularly use one on my melee charged strike smite psyker to go specialist hunting / counterfire gunners without worrying about ammo much

recon lasguns: jack of all trades master of non weapons, easy to use, damage fall of over long distance. scale really really really well with vet kit (onslaught, longshot, shock trooper), hence why they are the meta in the rifle area on vet. They just offer alot by default

laspistols: superior in all things mobile, higher run speed, better dodges (and dodge based blessings), faster wielding speed. Go along very well with dynamic playstyles (e.g. you switch alot between melee and ranged combat). Worse than both other guns at sniping over long distances. High finesse modifier, scale very nicely with anything crit based. Scriers Gaze Psykers, Deadshot Vets and so on.

[Hex]

You can buff lasguns crit headshot damage to obscene levels, being able to one-shot everything except crushers and maulers with it. Not even Bolter can do that. It also has a light, which bolter doesn't have. It's also better at killing monsters than a bolter.

However, if you're not accurate enough to reliably get headshots in the chaos of combat, do not bother.

[unless specifically stated]

The reason to use Infantry Lagsun is Deadly Accurate blessing (and maybe Ghost) and use it on a crit-heavy build. Other than that, it's inferior to a Las pistol lol.

[Raiding_Roaches]

Originally posted by XxuLTRAgoddemonDragonslayerxX420:

Is there any point in using the infantry lasgun? I feel like it is way underpowered, its dps is lower, has recoil, cant deal with hordes, and the recon has a slow fire rate variant that almost behaves similiarly. I can see the appeal with the Helbore because it actually can do damage and can somehow deal with hordes with the bayonet but the Infantry just feels inferior to the Recon

You gotta stack rend nodes/keystones on it. The marksmen ones .. stack crit and fire damg blessings and perks and bam !! An op recon laser build. Took me awhile to figure it out. ♥♥♥♥ will annihilate conga-lines of crushers on heresy !!

[JuX]

Id say infantry lasgun is form of laspistol. So usable by someone like Psyker to utilize disrupt destiny to takeout designated target for stacks. While primarily operating as melee build.

Originally posted by KTVindicare:

Originally posted by XxuLTRAgoddemonDragonslayerxX420:

Is there any point in using the infantry lasgun? I feel like it is way underpowered, its dps is lower, has recoil, cant deal with hordes, and the recon has a slow fire rate variant that almost behaves similiarly. I can see the appeal with the Helbore because it actually can do damage and can somehow deal with hordes with the bayonet but the Infantry just feels inferior to the Recon

Ammo Efficiency. The Recon Lasgun has better DPS sure but it eats through ammo like crazy. Get two of them on the same team and watch how quickly ammo becomes a real problem.

A teammate with an Infantry Lasgun benefits the entire team because he needs far less ammo for his gun than anyone else does, which frees up available ammo for ammo hungry guns like Bolters, Recon Lasguns and Twin Linked Stubbers.

This does not really apply to critical hit veteran, since it won't consume ammunition on critical hits (talent required) and can utilize survivalist to stretch it further.

While infantry lasgun consumes less, but it's too slow to be efficient and at higher difficulties will be a burden to the team.

[BigJ]

Infantry has better flak scaling and can crit kill carapace

Recon has more dps

Infantry has damage fall off

Recon has inverted damage fall off