What is different between the thunder hammer MKII and MKIV?

[Emmanuelexe]

What is the hammer who is the strongest with the special charged attack? The old one (MKII) or the new one (MKIV)?
I think its the same except MKII has a normal attack who is stronger but the MKIV has a cleave in horde with the special?

[Shining_Darkness]

Crucis is the strongest, honestly there is little reason to use ironhelm now that thunder hammers have infinite cleave (not infinite cleave damage, they just don't get stuck which what the crucis' downside). The crucis also has an infinite sweeping heavy combo whereas you have to cancel the third swing on the ironhelm heavy chain (though the third swing technically has the hardest hitting thunderclap good luck getting it to go through before the charge wears off/ you accidentally discharge it).

Ironhelm's party trick is the clap doesn't go off on hitting unarmored enemies for the first 2 targets or one flack (except when hitting elites or specials).

[Emmanuelexe]

I see but what about the power of the special + charged attack, its the same damage basically for the 2 hammers?
I prefered the Crucis but with the buff of the Ironhelm, its super fun to destroy the elitesin 1hit in the horde without having the special who is stop at the first no-elite enemy.

[Shining_Darkness]

Originally posted by Emmanuelexe:

I see but what about the power of the special + charged attack, its the same damage basically for the 2 hammers?
I prefered the Crucis but with the buff of the Ironhelm, its super fun to destroy the elitesin 1hit in the horde without having the special who is stop at the first no-elite enemy.

As I said, the crucis is stronger. The only benefit the ironhelm has is the thunderclap ignoring a couple fodder enemies (the crucis with just clap whatever it hits first but it has an overhead light attack for when you really need to bonk that crusher in a group).

IMO the crucis just feels way better to use right now because of the heavy attack chain not requiring a push attack (though the push attack on it is also a sweep). I think the ironhelm might swing just a bit faster but honestly after the buff there doesn't seem to be any reason to use ironhelm.

[T-Rex]

From my testing the iron helm is better and easier to use the charge attack but the swing pattern is worse.

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by T-Rex:

From my testing the iron helm is better and easier to use the charge attack but the swing pattern is worse.

Literally what Shining Darkness already explained...