Why doesn't the ogryn have Space marine weapons?

[Woltiv]

It kinda dawned on me recently playing that while the veteran and zealot have chainswords and bolters, but not the ogryns which are more than capable of wielding them considering their space marine stature. Is it an oversight or a design choice?

[Snowmech]

Lore wise only Space Marines have space marine weapons. The Size of the bolters and chainswords are smaller for regular humans if I recall correctly (i.e. different pattern), while the bolter weapoms still being big. A Bolt pistol ion an Astartes' hand looks proportional, while in a regular human's hands, it is huge. Also those weapons are more advanced and so Ogryn's, lore wise, are not smart enough to work them. It seems that fatshark is going to try to stick to the lore as best as possible.

[tanksin]

pretty sure lore wise they wouldnt trust an ogryn with space marine weapons because the weapons are revered as if they were holy artefacts by. they wouldnt give an ogryn an angels weapon just for them to use it as a toothpick

[WhipMyWombat]

its not that they cant use them but that most ogryn weapons are made as simple as possible cause most are literally retarded and use them as clubs

[XIX Victorious Aut Mortis]

ogyrn weapons require ogryn modifcation ogyrn are about as smart as an 8 yr old. inaddtion SM weapons are desgined for SM,they aren't fit for humans interms of Machine Spirit's as they will lockout the unworthy wielder. Size as SM are massives. also the fact that SM weapons can't take the ogyrns abuse. as ogyrn typically use the weapons as improvise clubs and have burst limiters fitted on them to stop them using all their ammuntion. spacemarines weapons generally can't be wielded by ogyrns due to these little factors, in addtion to the fact that any big heavy weapons the ogyrn could use. expect for Heavybolters, and heavyflamers. the ogyrn can't use Graviational Cannon, Plasmacannon and mutlimelta can't be wielded by humans without Power armour. due to thermal energy and power supplies. you won't find it avalible in the Guard codex as a man-portable item and in the only war RPG which has the ogyrn rules. it specifics which weapon the ogyrn can use.

[Battle Brotier]

Originally posted by Woltiv:

It kinda dawned on me recently playing that while the veteran and zealot have chainswords and bolters, but not the ogryns which are more than capable of wielding them considering their space marine stature. Is it an oversight or a design choice?

Ogryns are given weaponry that are meant to sustain abuse. Things like the ripper guns are meant to be used just as much as bludgeons as guns. You don't typically give an expensive and valuable piece of tech like anything that would be in the armories of various Space Marines to the hands of a mentally stunted, blunt instrument that is the Ogryn.

[Bomoo]

Originally posted by Woltiv:

It kinda dawned on me recently playing that while the veteran and zealot have chainswords and bolters, but not the ogryns which are more than capable of wielding them considering their space marine stature. Is it an oversight or a design choice?

Because ogryn weapons need to be simple and robust for them to be able to use said weapons. Giving an ogryn a heavy bolter or a lascannon or something is a great way to get a twisted hunk of metal that used to be a heavy bolter or lascannon.

Even a heavy stubber is pushing the plausibility of the kind of equipment an ogryn can handle without breaking it into scrap.

[EvilHare]

Originally posted by Woltiv:

It kinda dawned on me recently playing that while the veteran and zealot have chainswords and bolters, but not the ogryns which are more than capable of wielding them considering their space marine stature. Is it an oversight or a design choice?

Lore
It is blasphemy to think such a thing.

Just think of Dredd mixed with Terminator. Those morals are absolute

Quite simple

[Bomoo]

Originally posted by EvilHare:

Originally posted by Woltiv:

It kinda dawned on me recently playing that while the veteran and zealot have chainswords and bolters, but not the ogryns which are more than capable of wielding them considering their space marine stature. Is it an oversight or a design choice?

Lore
It is blasphemy to think such a thing.

Just think of Dredd mixed with Terminator. Those morals are absolute

Quite simple

Well, within the lore there's a very clear reason why ogryn only ever get dead simple and extremely robust weapons.

[Crystal meth enthusiast]

I want to repeat, but more simple.

SM weapons are high-tech. And "expensive". Maintained by special core of specialists (Tec-marines).

Ogryns are stupid. 8-y old is wrong description. 8-y it's with implant and very smart individual who can be "Gun-lugger" (or something) who are barely capable to operate and maintain primitive but heavy weapons.

[Daliena]

Originally posted by Bomoo:

Originally posted by Woltiv:

It kinda dawned on me recently playing that while the veteran and zealot have chainswords and bolters, but not the ogryns which are more than capable of wielding them considering their space marine stature. Is it an oversight or a design choice?

Because ogryn weapons need to be simple and robust for them to be able to use said weapons. Giving an ogryn a heavy bolter or a lascannon or something is a great way to get a twisted hunk of metal that used to be a heavy bolter or lascannon.

Even a heavy stubber is pushing the plausibility of the kind of equipment an ogryn can handle without breaking it into scrap.

Funny how Only War allows them to use Heavy Bolters, though. https://i.imgur.com/1yk8sK8.jpg

That and Guard-issue heavy bolters are cheap and common enough - "Unlike the boltgun, the Heavy Bolter is relatively common in Astra Militarum armies and is also often used by the Space Marines. Heavy Bolters have a high rate of fire and are relatively cheap to field." Remember that almost every vehicle in the Guard's arsenal has at least one heavy bolter on it somewhere, usually more, and they also have heavy weapons teams lugging the things around (or in exceptional cases like "Stonetooth" Harker, carrying the damn thing solo and firing from the hip)

They're also built sturdily enough that, for the rifle-size version, it's mentioned that in a pinch you can use one to crack skulls.

[Velacity]

Originally posted by Daliena:

Originally posted by Bomoo:

Because ogryn weapons need to be simple and robust for them to be able to use said weapons. Giving an ogryn a heavy bolter or a lascannon or something is a great way to get a twisted hunk of metal that used to be a heavy bolter or lascannon.

Even a heavy stubber is pushing the plausibility of the kind of equipment an ogryn can handle without breaking it into scrap.

Funny how Only War allows them to use Heavy Bolters, though. https://i.imgur.com/1yk8sK8.jpg

That and Guard-issue heavy bolters are cheap and common enough - "Unlike the boltgun, the Heavy Bolter is relatively common in Astra Militarum armies and is also often used by the Space Marines. Heavy Bolters have a high rate of fire and are relatively cheap to field." Remember that almost every vehicle in the Guard's arsenal has at least one heavy bolter on it somewhere, usually more, and they also have heavy weapons teams lugging the things around (or in exceptional cases like "Stonetooth" Harker, carrying the damn thing solo and firing from the hip)

They're also built sturdily enough that, for the rifle-size version, it's mentioned that in a pinch you can use one to crack skulls.

I can see such working in this game. But with some pretty hefty limiters.

[Daliena]

Originally posted by Arrokoth:

Originally posted by Daliena:

Funny how Only War allows them to use Heavy Bolters, though. https://i.imgur.com/1yk8sK8.jpg

That and Guard-issue heavy bolters are cheap and common enough - "Unlike the boltgun, the Heavy Bolter is relatively common in Astra Militarum armies and is also often used by the Space Marines. Heavy Bolters have a high rate of fire and are relatively cheap to field." Remember that almost every vehicle in the Guard's arsenal has at least one heavy bolter on it somewhere, usually more, and they also have heavy weapons teams lugging the things around (or in exceptional cases like "Stonetooth" Harker, carrying the damn thing solo and firing from the hip)

They're also built sturdily enough that, for the rifle-size version, it's mentioned that in a pinch you can use one to crack skulls.

I can see such working in this game. But with some pretty hefty limiters.

Yeah, balance is the big question, isn't it. Last I played, the Bolter was already pretty beloved. Now if we had that but with a colossal ammo supply, even more damage and faster rate of fire, well..

[PJ]

Because Ogryn are disgusting, dangerous, mongrels and giving them SM weapons would be the equivalent of taking a holy relic and giving it to a pair of hookers so they can do weird hooker stuff with it.

[DuneLoon]

same reason you dont trust a toddler with a glass cup

[Bomoo]

Originally posted by Daliena:

Originally posted by Bomoo:

Because ogryn weapons need to be simple and robust for them to be able to use said weapons. Giving an ogryn a heavy bolter or a lascannon or something is a great way to get a twisted hunk of metal that used to be a heavy bolter or lascannon.

Even a heavy stubber is pushing the plausibility of the kind of equipment an ogryn can handle without breaking it into scrap.

Funny how Only War allows them to use Heavy Bolters, though. https://i.imgur.com/1yk8sK8.jpg

That is an autocannon, my guy. And I wouldn't take third party RPG material as 100% canonical.