Nerf bolter

[penguin_of_linux]

It is better to use shotgun for everything! It has damage that plasma has! It has accuracy that lasgun has! And so many ammo btw. Quite boring to see so many bolters in a team.
W40k lore says bolters increase their damage by distance. They should inflict small damage to nearby enemies, this would be fair enough.

[Ethical Lune]

Woah woah calm down there sport, we can't have a reasonable opinion on balance and nerfing OP stuff in this particular video game, everything should be incredibly powerful and the game should be a cakewalk at all times.

[Snobby Hobo]

Bolters are fine. Maybe a small ammo capacity nerf would be in order because I feel like it's a little too easy to just spam with right now.

The Bolter is limited by unconventional means: the sights are not great, the weapon is very clunky and requires some commitment to even swap to and it has a slow reload animation.

[Ethical Lune]

Lol already a clown award, this place is just reddit with heckin' epic updoots and downdoots.

[Professor H. Farnsworth]

Publicado originalmente por Incredibly average:

Bolters are fine. Maybe a small ammo capacity nerf would be in order because I feel like it's a little too easy to just spam with right now.

The Bolter is limited by unconventional means: the sights are not great, the weapon is very clunky and requires some commitment to even swap to and it has a slow reload animation.

Ain't enough.
Does more damage than a plasma gun which is arguably the strongest weapon in the Imperial of Man even after they were made less.. dangerous.
Has the accuracy of a Lasgun, I mean you're literally a laser guided missile launcher. That's what it looks like to everyone else.
You murder everything even on Damnation. Horde, Specials, Elites... Even Monstrocities goes down exceptionally fast with it.

You can see Vets and Zealots just using Bolters for an entire run without issues.. So eh.
Either you get to keep your weapon for allaround and then the damage output is nerfed or you get to have it specialized like.. everything else and then you get to keep the damage on that specialization type.
You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

[Draescan]

If you think the bolter does the same damage than plasma does then you haven't spent much time in the psykanium. The plasma gun deletes carapace armor, you have to empty half a mag or more into crushers with the bolter to kill them. I can one shot them with the plasma. It's supposed to be an in between for the lucius and the plasma, which it currently is. If you don't like seeing bolters all the time, then maybe you should stop worrying about what everyone else is doing. You're not their manager, you're a team member. Act like it.

[PARTY, DUDE!]

Publicado originalmente por Ethical Lune:

Lol already a clown award, this place is just reddit with heckin' epic updoots and downdoots.

The general sentiment seems to be that buffing up everything around the problem is better than nerfing down the singular issue itself. Both sides have merit but I'd say it's better to make things more viable than not.

[penguin_of_linux]

Publicado originalmente por Draescan:

If you think the bolter does the same damage than plasma does then you haven't spent much time in the psykanium. The plasma gun deletes carapace armor, you have to empty half a mag or more into crushers with the bolter to kill them. I can one shot them with the plasma. It's supposed to be an in between for the lucius and the plasma, which it currently is. If you don't like seeing bolters all the time, then maybe you should stop worrying about what everyone else is doing. You're not their manager, you're a team member. Act like it.

Right, plasma ignore armour, I think. U msut 2 shots to kill Crusher (definitely not 1). But what will u douing against simple shooters? Or mutant) But it is plasma problem, not bolter

[Silverquick]

They are never going to Nerf the Bolter.

And there's a reason for that. If you go into the Meatgrinder and actually test it vs any other Auto Gun, believe it or not the damage is actually the same if you empty a clip into any given target. (Assumes similar percentage in the Damage stat)

The only thing different with the Bolter is that it works against unyielding (aka Ogryn) where the other Autoguns do not.

I still don't get why Veterans use this though, Its really not a very good long range precision weapon and I can't even imagine trying to accurately snipe anything with it. I'm sure it can be done, but it just does not go where its aimed most of the time at long range.

Its a better run and gun weapon where you just spray and pray.

[Trapmaker]

Publicado originalmente por Ethical Lune:

Woah woah calm down there sport, we can't have a reasonable opinion on balance and nerfing OP stuff in this particular video game, everything should be incredibly powerful and the game should be a cakewalk at all times.

This would be a reasonable opinion if the bolter was op, I've been playing vet for the last few days using the agripiina infantry autogun and it does everything the bolter does but quicker and with more efficiency due to a quicker weapon swap and reload and softer recoil, The one caveat being that it cant just straight up gun down bulwarks or crushers but eh.

[Nightslaver]

Bolter isnt really good to clear huge hordes, on higher difficulties (t4+), there it costs to much ammunition, bolter isnt really good kill highly armored enemys fast enoth on wide distances, on his left mouse button attack. Only single shot, on right mousebutton is there good, but needs on t4+ to often to many time to kill highly armored targets, to shot them with single fireing and often there is a lots more armored targets, that are dangerous and even shoud dieing fast.

So in my eyes Bolter isnt "OP".
For example a Plasma Gun is much better kill hard armored targets faster, shotguns and Flamers are better to kill great numbers of trash mobs and some specials. Bolter is somewhere in middle of this raster, more allrounder, as the first and the last, but in non a specialist weapon.

So, why so many use bolters on preacher and veteran?
Yes that's why. It is an more allround weapon, flexible and good enoth and to handle, does his job in most siutations.

Have more specialized weapon means you need a melee weapon that balances its disadvantage and often, in difficult and critical situations (t4+) flexebility can be have much more worth, as a specilaised weapon and especially if your personal skill doesn't consistently reach a top level and there is no shame for it.

So the strongness of bolters could be a little bit broken, but on the end not so hard that it must be nerfed.

[Veylee]

or... buff the other weapons to feel good to use? maybe that... they did it for the plasma weapons (a bit too hard) and failed doing it for the headhunter and revolver(feels a lot better needs more damage per shot)

[Professor H. Farnsworth]

Publicado originalmente por Veylee:

or... buff the other weapons to feel good to use? maybe that... they did it for the plasma weapons (a bit too hard) and failed doing it for the headhunter and revolver(feels a lot better needs more damage per shot)

Or we could not trivialize the game by making everything so powerful it's a cake walk.
You want a cake walk? Play lower difficulties. Super simple.

[WhiteCrow]

Publicado originalmente por Draescan:

You're not their manager, you're a team member. Act like it.

What the hell? Am I at work all of a sudden?

[V1z13r]

Totally disagree. The bolter needs faster loading animations and faster swapping. It's SOOOOO SLOOOWWWWW.

[ASadMango]

Tbh they should just nerf power sword to the ground. I'm okay with Vet getting OP ranged weps. They are the ranged wep guy after all. But they should not get a sword that basically makes zelot/Ogryn obsolete in the hands of a vet with a shiny sword