havoc is way too hard

[agent orange]

700 hours in game 50 games in auric, ~3 games in auric maelstrom and level ~20 havoc on veteran thru bolter feeling so much difficult. im not gonna CHEESE thru zealon, thats a cheat class

what do?

[agent orange]

2 hits on melee is knock down on level 20 HAVOC

what is happening on level 40???? 4 zealots with cheats like " NOT DIE " talent?

[Truen]

Havoc shouldn't be able to 2 tap someone. The focus should be on the volume of baddies, not OP swarms that can easily kill people /w even a little latency.

[Tunnfisk]

Originally posted by agent orange:

700 hours in game 50 games in auric, ~3 games in auric maelstrom and level ~20 havoc on veteran thru bolter feeling so much difficult. im not gonna CHEESE thru zealon, thats a cheat class

what do?

Havoc forces more team oriented gameplay. So you need to team up, and voice up.

Also, don't get hit.

[靐]

1) Cheat class is psyker

2) 700 hours and only 50 aurics, trying not to say that

3) 700 hours 3 auric maelstroms, trying not to say that GITGUD

Also you could just get unlucky with the team. Past 20 it is kinda annoying to solo if team is meh. Another case if you see some people are carrying you and you still loose...

[DoltLumb]

skill issue git gud

[Slymoon]

Originally posted by agent orange:

2 hits on melee is knock down on level 20 HAVOC

what is happening on level 40???? 4 zealots with cheats like " NOT DIE " talent?

I was going to entertain your gripes... but with the last comment, all I see is whining.

[Qau'lthir]

It's meant to be hard. Don't go into it expecting an easy ride and certainly don't go into it expecting a carry.

If I were you I'd forcus on mastering some basic skills before attempting it again.

[Evil_Sarevok]

One of the biggest mistakes is comparing it to Auric, the pacing and class limitations just make high level Havoc nothing like Auric, the changeover is around 20-25, and its where I see most newer groups struggling, especially those coming in late.

If anything, (as I haven't played it for a few years since they added tons of paid cosmetics and classes) it reminds me of the more slower and methodical runs you had to do on VT2 when it was mostly elites/warriors with heavy specials.

Slow and steady, wave clearing, bulk pulling and not being too arrogant to pull back a little, and take things one bit at a time, as well as use of mitigation skills etc.

One of the biggest errors I tend to see is the attitude of "Don't need to deal with those ranged enemies, can walk past them" which used to be a staple of Auric, when that happens 30-40 then someone is getting a special surprise.

On the other hand, I really want to play a level 40 Havoc Gunner for giggles, just let us all play as one vs guardsmen for a laugh.

[Tunnfisk]

Originally posted by 💀:

1) Cheat class is psyker

2) 700 hours and only 50 aurics, trying not to say that

3) 700 hours 3 auric maelstroms, trying not to say that GITGUD

Also you could just get unlucky with the team. Past 20 it is kinda annoying to solo if team is meh. Another case if you see some people are carrying you and you still loose...

[Panzer]

nye

[Mugman Lord]

Originally posted by agent orange:

700 hours in game 50 games in auric, ~3 games in auric maelstrom and level ~20 havoc on veteran thru bolter feeling so much difficult. im not gonna CHEESE thru zealon, thats a cheat class

what do?

Its weird to me to ask Havoc to be easier than it is. Its supposed to be harder than Auric Maelstrom. Also you litteraly can demote yourself as much as you want if you prefer a difficulty sweetspot.

Havoc is meant to be harder than Maelstrom and enforce teamplay. That also means like any games that has harder difficulties to enforce more of a meta. Something can be said about power creeping the game so more things can be meta but for now it is what it is.

Veteran, Psyker and Zealot have all the opportunity to be as good if min-maxxed. Proof is that the meta in this mode right now seems to be 1 shout Vet with Double Book Zealot, and purge flamer Psyker. If Zealot was overwhelmingly better than other classes, the meta would reflect that with 100% Zealot on min-maxxers lobbies which just ain't the case.

You can do many things such as getting better, theory crafting your build better, assembling a team compilation that suits your needs and expectations.

Or as I said, you can just demote and stay wherever you think the difficulty is at its best.

[SNAAAKE]

Originally posted by agent orange:

700 hours in game 50 games in auric, ~3 games in auric maelstrom and level ~20 havoc on veteran thru bolter feeling so much difficult. im not gonna CHEESE thru zealon, thats a cheat class

what do?

Veteran shout is so OP and you absolutely need a zealot with corruption heal on some of the modifiers.

[WIFEBURGER]

it's no more difficult than any random auric mission.

[DotNL]

Originally posted by agent orange:

700 hours in game 50 games in auric, ~3 games in auric maelstrom and level ~20 havoc on veteran thru bolter feeling so much difficult. im not gonna CHEESE thru zealon, thats a cheat class

what do?

its not the games fault that you have no clue how to play :P

It was too easy for us. its not hard if u know what to do.

[die peacefully]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRmbMDAbeQk