How to play Veteran atm?

[Kael]

I feel a bit useless when i am playing vet.

When Hordes come up, i am nearly instantly dead. Just 1 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Heretic behind me - 1 hit and im down 100% on shields. And they start appearing out of nowhere.

That wouldnt be a big issue, if the vet would have some kind of defensive abilities. But i tried everything. Dodge mass Enemies or others. But it doesnt work out how i want it.

Also , when the Hordes come up with mixed specialists, i cant even shoot the specialists, cause i need to hold back the horde to stay alive. So im a bit searching the fun for a class, which cant shoot anything when attacked.

tl;dr:
you are a specialist class for long range but cant fight long range cause you are always occupied because the game spawn random enemies 1m next to you.

[Gottfried]

Vet has no defensive abilities? What? Vet has the strongest defensive Ult in the game, Voice of Command. Instant stagger on all enemies around you and max thoughness + 50 on top. With the CD reduction on specialist kill you have it up every 15 seconds. It's bonkers.

[Kael]

Yea and then i give up the ability to see specialists in all the big infernos of flames or explosions.

[Tunnfisk]

Originally posted by Kael:

I feel a bit useless when i am playing vet.

When Hordes come up, i am nearly instantly dead. Just 1 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Heretic behind me - 1 hit and im down 100% on shields. And they start appearing out of nowhere.

I think what most Veteran players struggle with is, when to swap to melee and swing like crazy. Your gun is an excellent tool, but at times, you should use your melee. Having the right melee to deal with hordes is equally important. I personally prefer power sword, or Rashad/Antax combat axes with Brutal Momentum blessing.

Your best (this goes for every class) defensive ability is dodging. Learning to dodge effectively is very much key in this game. Other than that, Veteran have two very powerful defensive abilities in their talent tree. AoE knockback and stealth.

With the right weapon, I shoot through the horde and kill the specialists. Just full-auto until it dies. Unless you're using one of the less good weapons with semi automatic fire. Then you'll have to dodge dance around and pick your shots, or melee your way to them.


TL;DR You're not a specialist class for long range, you're a hybrid range/melee combatant like every other class in this game. That's why everyone have both a ranged slot, and a melee slot.

[Tunnfisk]

Originally posted by Kael:

Yea and then i give up the ability to see specialists in all the big infernos of flames or explosions.

You can use Q for that.

[Gottfried]

Originally posted by Kael:

Yea and then i give up the ability to see specialists in all the big infernos of flames or explosions.

All other classes don't have this feature either, and you don't seem to have a problem with them either. Also, as the guy above me said, you can just tag important enemies through fire.
Seriously, you should try a melee vet build with Voice of Command. Easily my favorite build in the game. And you can still get ammo regen and the +40% ammo talent, so your ranged damage output is very good as well.

[Grail]

You aren't a specialist class for long range. The veteran is very versatile (as are all classes really), it comes down to how you build your operative.

If you are building purely to shoot single targets and completely ignoring the fact that this is a horde shooter, and the biggest threat is always the horde, then you are making a decision to build/play that way.

Note that you absolutely can build a veteran that way, but you then take the responsibility.

If you are going down that route - a weapon that can handle hordes. And don't get into the mind frame of living in ADS (it's tempting, but will be your downfall).

Here are 2 veteran builds that work for me that do a lot of shooting.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b1d3fbb-c2be-4d9d-b69e-84011d819246/sniper-lotti

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b230c10-7422-446b-9cf0-6de94d83ce07/commando-lotti

The commando build is a lot more melee focused, but can absolutely use the revolver for single target elimination. It wrecks hordes, whilst the first build merely manages them and is more focused on counterfire and deadshot single priority target elimination.

Ultimately, it is how you play that determines whether you will survive or be wrecked by hordes - but they should always be your primary focus when creating an operative, at least how you will survive them should be. Specials, elites, disablers, monstrosities never kill as many operatives as hordes do.

[Woldy]

Shoot ♥♥♥♥.

[box]

It depends on the situation, flamers and bombers it might be easier to dodge the aoe.
Snipers and gunners it might be easier to fall back and find cover.
Ragers and Bulkwarks it may be krak grenade and melee.

The beauty of it is there's no set way to approach things since the situations and teams vary and everyone has different playstyles and builds.

[Grr. [SG CMD] Majah Lazah]

Originally posted by Kael:

I feel a bit useless when i am playing vet.

When Hordes come up, i am nearly instantly dead. Just 1 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Heretic behind me - 1 hit and im down 100% on shields. And they start appearing out of nowhere.

That wouldnt be a big issue, if the vet would have some kind of defensive abilities. But i tried everything. Dodge mass Enemies or others. But it doesnt work out how i want it.

Also , when the Hordes come up with mixed specialists, i cant even shoot the specialists, cause i need to hold back the horde to stay alive. So im a bit searching the fun for a class, which cant shoot anything when attacked.

tl;dr:
you are a specialist class for long range but cant fight long range cause you are always occupied because the game spawn random enemies 1m next to you.

You are not a specialist class.

You are the developer's current favorite darling and any combination of nodes you pick will be more than enough to braindead your way through the game until such time as they pick a different darling for the outrage marketing.

[Many-Named]

Originally posted by Tunnfisk:

Originally posted by Kael:

I feel a bit useless when i am playing vet.

When Hordes come up, i am nearly instantly dead. Just 1 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Heretic behind me - 1 hit and im down 100% on shields. And they start appearing out of nowhere.

I think what most Veteran players struggle with is, when to swap to melee and swing like crazy. Your gun is an excellent tool, but at times, you should use your melee. Having the right melee to deal with hordes is equally important. I personally prefer power sword, or Rashad/Antax combat axes with Brutal Momentum blessing.

Your best (this goes for every class) defensive ability is dodging. Learning to dodge effectively is very much key in this game. Other than that, Veteran have two very powerful defensive abilities in their talent tree. AoE knockback and stealth.

With the right weapon, I shoot through the horde and kill the specialists. Just full-auto until it dies. Unless you're using one of the less good weapons with semi automatic fire. Then you'll have to dodge dance around and pick your shots, or melee your way to them.


TL;DR You're not a specialist class for long range, you're a hybrid range/melee combatant like every other class in this game. That's why everyone have both a ranged slot, and a melee slot.

Sounds like a skill issue indeed.

[The Greg Machine]

The veteran can slot pretty comfortably into any role tbh, though I suppose the same is true of every class.

You can roll with an up close n personal shotgun and chainaxe build.

A Tanith ripoff headhundet + knife build for the long range sniper.

Laspistol + devil's claw officer all-rounder.

[Not creepy]

Steam forums are toxic but any other Darktide community is as toxic, so don't expect any help here.
I get where you are coming from, because it is really annoying if you switch to ranged just so one single enemy spawns behind you in that exact moment, happens all the time and there is not a way to preven this, I look behind me regularly and it still happens, it is a very annoying game mechanic. For defensive I would pick the skill that pushes enemies away, forgot the name. You also should know that Vet excells at range but still is supposed to use melee often. For damnation and heresy you need to know how to dodge well. I use the chainsword with my vet, clears hordes with heavy and few single attack and special attack for elites etc.

[Tunnfisk]

Originally posted by Not creepy:

Steam forums are toxic but any other Darktide community is as toxic, so don't expect any help here.

Would have been an excellent line, if there wasn't already multiple posts trying to help him.

[Not creepy]

Originally posted by Tunnfisk:

Originally posted by Not creepy:

Steam forums are toxic but any other Darktide community is as toxic, so don't expect any help here.

Would have been an excellent line, if there wasn't already multiple posts trying to help him. :dazed_yeti:

The point is that he should not expect anything good here and know that if there are toxic comments not he is wrong but the toxic community. If there still is something helpful here great, but most of the time even these comments talk from above. There is no contradiction, even in a toxic community there can be helpful people.

[Jangkrik]

Get Voice of Command, Antax MK VII axe / MK VII sapper shovel, and a decent lasgun (preferably MK XII). If you're really struggling, you can try the shredder grenade + grenade regen. This should solve most of your horde/rager problems until you get a power sword with Power Cycler 3/4.

Wait until you try Zealot. Zealot's problem is the reverse of Veteran. You can kill everything until shooters/gunners show up and then you're dead if you don't take cover or delete them within 1-2 seconds. Much harder to solve than Vet's close combat issue where you can just press ult / use anti crowd melee weapon.