Delusional Vets and Ogryns Hating Psykers

[NukeWinter]

Not sure if it's the dialog digging into psykers or what, but there is a certain type of player in this game who is straight-up anti-psyker.

Typically comes in 3 flavors:

1) They see the damage on your weapon and conclude they do more damage than you, and without kill counts, they incorrectly assume you aren't pulling your weight on the team. This is the perspective of a noob who gets their math tests turned back face-down. They can't seem to reconcile the fact that every time you engage the enemy, they are absolutely melted, with the dialog complimenting the psyker for killing. The confusion is uncomfortable for them, and they get angry. That's because we actually do more damage and get more kills than you if there are multiple targets, given the nature of our weapons. I'm not bragging, I'm trying to explain that we do indeed add a lot to a team. Couple that with all of the staggering and team buffs, and if anything the psyker is probably OP.

2) They take issue with the effects from your weapon affecting their view. "Get that flame out of my face" they say, while kill stealing a nearly brainburst target with a scaldingly bright glowing rifle shot in your face. Do you think it isn't distracting hearing all the insane explosions and other effects created by YOUR characters? Well, it isn't. It's awesome. You just choose to view the effects of psykers negatively.

3) They recognize psykers as OP and are annoyed we melt everything in front of them. Kiddo, I didn't make or balance the game. I'm just trying to get through an Auric Mael on Damnation, and there are circumstances where you will be glad I melted the hoard, so you could focus on specials. I personally think the game is very well-balanced, and even though I'm killing significantly more mobs than most of my teammates, I know they are doing other things that are useful for the team.

In conclusion, lighten up. Why you hef to be mad? Is only game...

[PrometheusGER]

Pskyer has the highest skill gap out of all classes, it's literrally the strongest class in the game.

People talking about what to play or how to play in quickplay are noobs that have some weird social issues.

I wouldn't waste my energy arguing with them about anything ...

[TekTaqTo]

I got the same flak for using Smoke Grenades on my Vet; Someone somewhere's gonna have a problem with anything you're doing and I just say something along the lines of "I understand your right to tell me not to use my smoke grenades but I'm gonna use them anyway"

[CombustiblSquid]

Peple who hate psyker don't know this game very well

[[TGC] MadGod]

Who cares? Ogryn smash. Ogryn protect little gits because emprah orders. Ogryn pet ps..psi...py..brain man after killing stuff.

[Slithy]

There is only one psyker I hate and that is a gun psyker. The staff is OP as hell. Use the damn staff. Purgatus or Trauma are both equally viable and I use them interchangeably all the time. Stop wasting the veteran's ammo when we have infinite ammo. It's cringe.

[NukeWinter]

That's a very good point about someone, somewhere hating on whatever you are doing, regardless of the action itself. Can't control that, so why even register on your radar. Need to get better at that.

And since this has become a bit of a psyker circle.... Almost never lose when it's 4 psykers. Or 3 and a tank is probably even better, but still. Probably OP, but I'm here for it!

[Grail]

Originally posted by Slithy:

There is only one psyker I hate and that is a gun psyker. The staff is OP as hell. Use the damn staff. Purgatus or Trauma are both equally viable and I use them interchangeably all the time. Stop wasting the veteran's ammo when we have infinite ammo. It's cringe.

Gun psyker is best psyker.

[Arani]

Originally posted by Slithy:

There is only one psyker I hate and that is a gun psyker. The staff is OP as hell. Use the damn staff. Purgatus or Trauma are both equally viable and I use them interchangeably all the time. Stop wasting the veteran's ammo when we have infinite ammo. It's cringe.

And speaking of the math issues...

There are no fixed classes per team, so a gun on a psyker is no different from a gun on anything else. To say that they are taking away your ammo because they have an alternative is like saying zellies and oggies should be playing melee builds only because they have that alternative too. Or turned around, it's the same as demanding all vets to always bring the ammo aura, or to always focus on ranged only and nothing else. Which, ofc, is exactly what some people are doing too.

The only thing we need to look at is how effective those gunpsykers are. This is what psykers get for those guns with Scrier's, Disrupt destiny, and the other usual talents:

• ~40% crit chance & True Aim, so every 5:th headshot is an autocrit
  
• Immunity to ranged while firing / hitting something (from crits), which ofc means no suppression / stagger so the shots they fire will hit what they aim at, meaning better ammo economy
  
• +10-30% dmg & up to 30% crit/headshot dmg from Scrier's
  
• +15% dmg, +30% crit dmg, +37.5% weakspot dmg from Disrupt Destiny
  
• Max +20% dmg from Warp Rider
  
• Plus all all the usual psyker perks like burning down anything near any specials+ they kill including other specials, Assail for some massive ammo efficiency and +35% warp dmg on top of all the above, etc.
  
• Scrier's easily lasts for ~20-30s, with its buffs lasting another 10s after during its 30s CD. So even on paper it's going to be active over half the time. In practice with the lulls between fights, it's going to be active closer to 66-80% of the time.
  
• To dumb all that down, at best it's something like this:
  
  • ~40% crit chance
    
  • +65% dmg
    
  • +60% crit dmg
    
  • +67.5% weakspot dmg
    
  • +Assail which gets its own +35% dmg on top

Not even vets can match that. Zealots and oggies? Not even in their dreams. So complaining that gunpsykers are a waste of ammo is not even the same as complaining about literally any ammo class at all. It's actually worse. xD

Sure, they can be played badly. So can any other class or build. So we get back to square 1. Hating on builds because of a few bad apples just... doesn't make any sense.

[Kuma]

I don't think i ever cared about other people classes or damage, what you bring i assume is something you like so why should i care about anyone outdamaging me or whatever, if anything helps clearly easily.
I only care what they turned this game into, a competition. It seems that the general idea here is to make more damage than your team mates or not being the lowest damage rather than just , play?
Don't get me even started on how they reduced veteran to. A clown with a gun.

[luZk]

1) Veteran can dish out more damage than any other class in a shortest time. It's a fact.
2) Why are you brainbursting regular hordes about to die that I am in melee with?
3) Anyone playing damnation should be able to handle a regular horde themselves, you're not saving anyone by clearing pox walker hordes.

In conclusion, a lot psyker players seem to be psyker mains, meaning they only play psyker and not the other classes, and it's showing.

[Grail]

Originally posted by Kuma:

I don't think i ever cared about other people classes or damage, what you bring i assume is something you like so why should i care about anyone outdamaging me or whatever, if anything helps clearly easily.

This is pretty important. When we have someone join our crew, they'll often ask what we want them to bring. Our response is always to take what they're comfortable with and like to play. Nothing else really matters. And whilst we like to use the scoreboard mod, it's more about joking with each other and seeing how much crap we had to deal with than using it to denigrate anyone's performance. It's a co-op game, damage output isn't as important as clearing the map. And there is too much nuance in the game to purely consider kills as the only metric for success.

[SNAAAKE]

Originally posted by CombustiblSquid:

Peple who hate psyker don't know this game very well

Just want to affirm how dumb this statement is.

I have more time in this game than you and the class that sandbags the most games is Psyker.

If i see more than one psyker i leave.

[Battle Brotier]

Originally posted by luZk:

1) Veteran can dish out more damage than any other class in a shortest time. It's a fact.
2) Why are you brainbursting regular hordes about to die that I am in melee with?
3) Anyone playing damnation should be able to handle a regular horde themselves, you're not saving anyone by clearing pox walker hordes.

In conclusion, a lot psyker players seem to be psyker mains, meaning they only play psyker and not the other classes, and it's showing.

I don't know about your number 1.), but 2.) sounds to me like you just happened to be playing with idiots, and there's plenty of examples that can be found among the other classes in their own respective ways. 3.) is an assumption on a situation that can have many circumstances; let's not cherrypick the one where your team's psyker is just speeding things along by clearing the horde faster by whatever means they happen to be using and framing it as if that was a bad thing in itself.

[Urban Shaman]

Originally posted by TGC MadGod:

Who cares? Ogryn smash. Ogryn protect little gits because emprah orders. Ogryn pet ps..psi...py..brain man after killing stuff.

I 'erd they's called spark'eds. Spark'eds be a lot of 'elp. But they be squishy, ye?

[Urban Shaman]

Originally posted by Arani:

So complaining that gunpsykers are a waste of ammo is not even the same as complaining about literally any ammo class at all. It's actually worse. xD

I'm not nearly experienced enough to complain about anything, really, but "gun-psykers", for me, don't match the lore. It feels... wrong. Even if it's doing allright.

Than again, I'm no WH40K lore vet either, so perhaps there's precedent for that too.