Orthus hardmode strat

[Judge Lazar]

What is the actual strat for this brick wall I'm bashing my face against because I can't tell. Tried all different kinds of builds, weapons, perks, blessings, talents, always ends the same way. 40,000 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ragers in your face with melee ♥♥♥♥♥ crawling up your ass and ranged douche ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ all over you.

[T0AD]

level up an ogryn or zealot

[Garviel Loken]

I did it with a team that did one of every class. You can use whatever you are best at but we all built to handle this fight. Psker for crowd control and armor, vet for single target DPS and some armor, Ogryn for taunt, and zealot for fire DOT with flamer and destroying bombs.

I feel like people will try super hard to work into a meta that doesn't work for them rather than just picking an off meta comp that works better for the team they are with.

[Anri of Astora]

dodge ranged douche and mow down ragers with automatic weapons. problem solved.

[Tin Can Kat]

Teamwork with people who know how to use their class and weapons are more important than trying to specifically use something you're less familiar with. If you're chasing it with pubs, then you're gonna have to hope you find some capable pals.

[Saint Marold YT]

That's why it's "hard mode". If it's too difficult you can always play on an easier level of difficulty 🤷

[Grr. [SG CMD] Majah Lazah]

Kind of funny to see all these "you play char like this always and forever" and arm chair balance devs be the ones to slam straight into

"Your build was as good as you theorycraft about any of the skills you whined about"

It's pretty simple. You damage the twins as much they allow you to, and then you kill any adds in the room. That's it.

Gun Lugger right tree : Gorgonum x 4 tada, you're done in six minutes or so because of rinda's stupid teleportation, you don't even need a taunter or anything. As soon as both twins go down you turn rodin into paste, it will literally take two ults to do this provided you were smart enough to bring the ammo crate. As long your gorgonum are 70+ on all stats blessing don't even matter.

Zealot Chorus with either ChAxe times 4 preferably with x16 bleed or Crucis x4, this one's about as fast and again provided you're killing the adds instead letting them clump up. This one is about the same amount of time as gunlugger and with the hammer the twin's disparate resistances don't even matter, charged attack will take either shield as long as you don't miss, provided you have good stats and thrust.

Psyker with Deimos absolutely trashes Rodin and you carry a brittle trauma for Rinda and the adds. Lazy Gazer with warpfire blessing on deimos and crit on a BAG is an equal threat to both bosses as long as someone else is handling the chaff.

Yell Vets with plasma can basically click to win provided you split up your targets and actually attempt to screen your team and remember that you have grenades.

When the twins go down you need to be able to do about 20K damage as a team in 5 seconds. If you don't have a build that does that you better be able to crowd control an entire room indefinitely.

Nine times out of ten the team fails because they ignore the add spawns or quite simply do not block or get left alone when one of the twins uses them as a chew toy and nine times out of ten this is because of main character syndrome.

[Madjar]

Finding one more minimum competent player (unless you've might that rivals the big E)

[Bobochen]

short strat depends on what you playing as:

Ogryn: Go with Shield, use Taunt, keep up the heavy to knock down maulers/berserkers and stick to the range one, thus the melee one will always come at you and you can hit both at the same time.

Vet: Plasma and Stealth, your goal is to stealth revive if needed and take down specials. People struggle mostly because of constant spawning of specials, you need to take them down as soon as possible to avoid complicating the main fight.

Zealot1: Hammer to stick with boss for damage
Zealot2: Chain axe Bolter and stealth, same as Vet, your goal is to take down specials.

Psyker: Shield and Assail are excellent to keep the team save and clear trash mobs.



But you can do whatever you good at of course, this is just my exp,

[Ghoul Hunter]

Everyone is coming in here with different strats. I think that hints it is a skill based fight. You can win with whatever; but it's your collective skill that determines the success.

So, git gud and don't give up, I guess?

Originally posted by Grr. SG CMD Majah Lazah:

It's pretty simple. You damage the twins as much they allow you to, and then you kill any adds in the room. That's it.

This is it. You can do that in a lot of different ways. It's really just a git gud moment.

I was hard tank zealot, ogryn was damage, two other guys were just good at surviving. We won eventually.

[Marcoléptike]

I played as a stealth vet when i get it in solo Q. My job was to kill elites and down as fast as possible the sis' shield. I used my ability to escape when i was hardly focus or to save the others ultra fast. You can win it easily with good teamates but i think it's easier with ogryns in team (zealot are also pretty good to help with the curse or detonate the nades, and psyker need cc, shield). The most important thing is to have enough dommage to destroy shields and after focus Rodin. You must have someone that is fast to kill all the elites that spawn everywhere. When you have a good team, just try it again and again, you will win. I used a columnus Mk V with flak and elites attributes, krak grenades for crushers, hope that will help vet.

[graygoo]

Completed hard mode with a random team, here are the details:

Team composition:
- Stealth zealot with knife + flamethrower (me)
- Another zealot stealth knife + autogun
- Ogryn full dps with heavy stubber
- Ogryn full tank with shield

Key strat points:
- Stealth zealots were resurrecting / triggering mines / taking down elites and ranged enemies with backstab bleed / flamer was cleaning poxwalkers
- Ogryn dps was always focusing on the same boss (range first, then melee one)
- Ogryn tank was luring melee boss
- Everyone focused on elites when there were there. Like no attention to the bosses when there were elites.

Boss focusing strategy:
1) Everyone destroy shield of MELEE boss.
2) Everyone destroy shield of RANGE boss.
3) Everyone damage RANGE boss.
4) Repeat.

And somehow it worked at the 3rd try. It felt easy in the last try, and no one went down.

General tips:
- Establish plan with team beforehand. Communicate. Ping the boss you're focusing. Ping elites. Stay in coherency as much as you can, and regroup when you can. No lone wolf in this arena, this is a team fight or you all die.
- Range boss takes more damage from melee, and melee boss takes more damage from range.
- The range boss has to be killed first. No range boss = no mines anymore.
- From the start, when fighting the bosses, ALWAYS DOWN THE SHIELD OF THE MELEE ONE FIRST. This way you can entirely focus on the range one without losing time to chase the melee one.
- It is primordial to focus on the same boss. If you happen to be near the melee boss when both their shields are out, you don't "take the opportunity" to damage it. You disengage as you can and rush to damage the range boss. Always focus to kill the range boss first.
- Chain weapons can take down shields in one charged hit with the right build (with full inexorable judgement for example)
- Smoke grenades don't work on range boss.
- Twin bosses are much more resistant to stagger in hard mode, they were close to not affected by "chorus of spiritual fortitude" in my attempts.
- Stealth zealot with flamer needs to run very fast to be the first positioned when chasing the light during a gaz event. This way, he can clean the room with flamethrower to make sure everyone makes it to safety.

[MemoryJester]

It's mostly about personal skill of each player in the team. You can win even if you play with randoms. I highly suggest having Ogryn Gunlugger (Achlys mk7 melts shields and melee boss) and vet with infiltrate (plasma + psword/chainsword/chainaxe). Those two imho are the core parts of the team. Other 2 can be vet and zealot. Played with psykers a lot, while "bubble" seems nice to have, psyker seem to lower the dps of the team.