can anyone explain to me the weapon upgrade system?

[Nexus]

like... in the most basic of terms.

i know its partially rng based much to my own dismay. but can you just keep re-rolling for perfect stats provided you have the currency to do so or are you limited? is it even possible to max everything out? how do weapon re-works in future updates effect weapons you have upgrade?

[Vinyltavia]

so at level 30 you can get brunt weaponry anywhere from 300 to 380 with 380 being the cap of what you can get before you upgrade it to make it a higher tier.
All weapons have an ideal stat you want and a dump stat that you can honestly not care too much about.
Honest take? if you're having trouble with plasteel and what not, run damnation or heresy missions as those are the best missions to get plasteel for them.
Everything else comes with experience and time on what is best for this thing or what is best for you (sometimes both being the same thing.)

[Zeethil]

Stats you can't change, you have to buy a weapon until it gives you stats good enough to keep. You can only change two parts of the weapon out of the two perks and two blessings.

[Bomoo]

Originally posted by Vinyltavia:

if you're having trouble with plasteel and what not, run damnation or heresy missions as those are the best missions to get plasteel for them.

Or it can be a waste of time if you aren't prepared for damnation or heresy. If you're trying to save up for upgrading your very first orange quality weapon (which... I get it, maybe you wasted all your plasteel while levelling, but really you shouldn't have, and you should have plenty to upgrade at least 3-4 weapons once you get to 30), stick to malice and only move up to heresy and above when you're comfortably clearing that.

[Vinyltavia]

Originally posted by Bomoo:

Originally posted by Vinyltavia:

if you're having trouble with plasteel and what not, run damnation or heresy missions as those are the best missions to get plasteel for them.

Or it can be a waste of time if you aren't prepared for damnation or heresy. If you're trying to save up for upgrading your very first orange quality weapon (which... I get it, maybe you wasted all your plasteel while levelling, but really you shouldn't have, and you should have plenty to upgrade at least 3-4 weapons once you get to 30), stick to malice and only move up to heresy and above when you're comfortably clearing that.

agreed to the above.

[jautja]

The first thing you look at is the basic rating of bonuses. Attention, not general tating, but basic. it is most important.

Now the maximum is 380, that is, we need 370 and above. It’s possible lower, but there you need to carefully look at how the points for bonuses are distributed, but you’ll understand with experience.

This weapon can be equipped with two perks and two blessings. But out of these 4 stats, only two can be changed. If you changed them, then these changed ones can be changed again and again.

Blessings are stronger so in most cases it is better to pay attention to them.

Ideally, you need to get two level 4 perks so that you can change blessings, or a perk and a level 4 blessing, but a blessing that will definitely suit you. Then by changing the two remaining parameters you can easily get what you need.

In order for a blessing to appear among the available ones, you need to buy or build a weapon with this blessing and donate it. Then it will be available on all other guns of THIS type.

At first, you don’t need to buy a hundred gray basic guns in the hope that you will get 380. You will do this later when there is an excess of money.

At first, just monitor the store that is updated once an hour and buy any weapon with a bonus rating of 370+. Also buy something that has a blessing that can be donated, and also buy a weapon that only has one perk. With one perk, you can bless it cheaply once and if you get a blessing missing from the library, donate it. This way you will unlock all the blessings faster. Concentrate on levels 3 and 4.

[jautja]

And you shouldn’t expect miracles from a top-end weapon compared to the same average one. What’s good about the game is that after receiving talents and weapons, you realize that the biggest boost comes from the player’s skill, that’s where the depth is really great.

[Arani]

Originally posted by Nexus:

like... in the most basic of terms.

i know its partially rng based much to my own dismay. but can you just keep re-rolling for perfect stats provided you have the currency to do so or are you limited? is it even possible to max everything out? how do weapon re-works in future updates effect weapons you have upgrade?

I'll try to sum it up:

• All weapons have 4 layers of RNG:
  
  1. Base score total - The statistics of the weapon, like damage, penetration, ammo, etc. all summed up. The higher the base score, the more points the weapon has to distribute between all its stats. Max base score is 380, which with 5 stats all capped at 80% means you will be 20% short between all 5 attributes.
     
  2. Stat distribution - How the score above is divided. You want the primary stats as close to 80% as possible ofc.
     
  3. Perks - Simple buffs like +10-25% damage to specific enemy types, or things like +2-5% crit etc. This RNG includes both the perk type and its tier, T4 is max. A fully upgraded weapon gets 2 perks.
     
  4. Blessings - Unique weapon buffs and effects that can make it far stronger, faster, or give it unique properties, these are usually extremely important. Like perks, they come in 4 tiers to a max of T4. A fully upgraded weapon gets 2 blessings.
• You can change up to 2 between the 2 perks and 2 blessings. So 1 perk & 1 blessing, or 2 perks, or 2 blessings. Anything else will remain locked forever and you'll be stuck with that.
  
• Blessings have to be earned before you can use them on a weapon, to do that you need to find a weapon with a blessing you want belonging to the same type/subtype as what you want, and then trade the weapon away to unlock it (all similar "families" share the same blessings, like combat axes, hammers, infantry lasguns, etc). Once unlocked, you will now be able to apply that blessing on any weapon of the same type as many times as you want account-wide, at a small material & money cost.
  
• At level 30, the minimum base score is 300, max 380. But the game's stores and rewards heavily weight it towards 300. So 300-320 gear is super common, where 370+ is super rare.
  
• When you're leveling it's ok to buy a weapon here or there, but do *not* upgrade it ever. The upgrade levels are based on the base score, which is limited by your level. Only at level 30 will you earn gear with a base score of 300+, where upgrading it will give you T3-4 blessings. Materials are rare and precious so you want to save them until endgame.
  
• Melk's weekly credit store has a list of "high quality" weapons that refresh daily. These weapons are already at highest or second-highest upgrade levels and usually have T3 perks and blessings. It rarely has high base stat weapons or T4 blessings, so it's not good for real high endgame gearing, but it's a good place to unlock more blessings. You need to do weekly contracts to get the credids to buy those weapons.
  
• The regular store refreshes hourly and offers lowest up to second highest upgrade level weapons, but they are limited to T2-3 perks & blessings.
  
• There's also Brunt's store, where you can buy gray (lowest upgrade level) gear of any specific type you want, but its base score and stat distribution are completely random so you have no idea what you'll get. Typically you need 200-500k to get 1-2 gear with 370+ base score, which due to the RNG will likely have trash stat distribution anyway.
  
• When at level 30 you upgrade items from grey to max yourself, you have the highest chance of getting T4 perks and blessings on it.
  
• Finally, each successful mission rewards you with a random gear. The quality of the gear depends on the difficulty tier and side objectives (books). But even doing nothing but T5+ (Damnation Auric / Maelstrom, the hardest difficulties in the game) these gear are subject to the same RNG. So 99%+ of the time it's garbage with a low base score and RNG T3 perks & blessings

This means that in the long term, the cheapest way to get high grade gear is to buy them off stores. You usually want as low upgrade level gear as possible (grays & greens) but with the best base score and stat distribution. This way you have a chance at higher tier perks & blessings when you upgrade it yourself. This method is high on RNG on both what is even available + your own upgrades, so it can take days to months of checking the stores and slowly buying anything that you might at some point use. While it's cheap, it has low agency because you have no guarantee of whether the specific weapon you want is even going to be available. So this is more of a way to get you all types of good upgrade-worthy weapons over a long time for later when you might want to upgrade them. Each one however saves you the 200-500k you would spend on Brunt's so it's worth it in the long term to keep checking between every few missions.

In the short term, the best way to get specific weapons is to buy them off Brunt's and upgrade them yourself. But it's extremely expensive, costing 200-500k+ for each 1-2 of decent gear, and then you still have to upgrade several of those to get the perks & blessings you need. For reference, last spring I wanted a good hammer for my zealot and I had to spend millions, along with idk 30-40k plasteel iirc to get it.

While theoretically getting base score 380 gear with perfect stat distribution & perks & blessings is possible, in practice it's like winning the lottery so do not depend on that. I have 2k hours in this game since release, all of it on T5+ since last year's Dec, and I don't have a single perfect gear between all my characters. But it's important to understand that you don't need the perfect gear to have effectively the best possible strength. Most of my best gear is base score 360+, some of it even ~340, with 1-2 T3 perks or blessings and often with primary stats somewhere between 70-79%, and they still meet the best breakpoints. So while it's not easy, I must emphasize that you do not need *perfect* gear in Darktide. Try to make the attitude adjustment early and give up on that right now, or you'll just risk burning out and getting disappointed for no reason.

Finally, when future patches change gear, the changes are applied to all the gear you own. So if a staff you have gets buffed, you get all its effects. If a blessing gets changed, all of your weapons with that blessing get changed with it. This can be a blessing and a curse, since a nerf to a blessing that was crucial to your weapon may make it worthless, but likewise a buff to a blessing you never even used can change an otherwise good weapon you saved from aeons back into something incredible. So you should always save and store weapons with "wrong" blessings, or even just bad weapons with great rolls in themselves, because there's a good chance they will get buffed at some point in the future.

It's worth noting that while the Steam community for this game is exceedingly toxic and prone to massive hyperboles and lies, Fatshark rarely over-nerfs anything. So while a nerf to your favorite blessing or weapon might make it in line with other weapons & blessings and no longer be the easy obvious best choice, that weapon will very likely still be good and well worth using. It's just that this time it will have competition, as it should.

[XIX Victorious Aut Mortis]

no upgrade it a replacement system pick 2 traits of the weapon you can replace them with ether blessing you have found/Grinded or you can replace them with blessing, if the rumours are true then we might be getting some better level's like red itmes and blessing and limited Customization (yeah !! for this). but in sense the way to re-roll system is just keep buying Grey's till you get the right stats then upgrade those one to orange and replace those stats that you don't want but if you got 4 wrong states then it better to sell it then try and using it since you will get about 2-3 grey weapon out of an orange weapon depending on rating.

do remember weapon's traits are shared across characters and accounts so zealot,Veteran and psyker common weapons all share their blessing so if you have a iv blessing on a weapon on a character that they won't use then break it down and use it on a character that needs it.

Reworks effect weapons that are current, so if a knife power level or bleed change then it effect it, the only way it going to change is if its a complete overhual and FS say they are keeping the weapon's that were before the same.

[Kotzi]

Rarity: grey (stats only)< green (1 perk)< blue (1 perk, 1 blessing)< purple (2 perks, 1 blessing) < gold (2 perks, 2 blessings)

Grey gear only has 5 stats with a possible max of 80 each but only to a sum of 380 total, so if you have 4 80 stats last one has to be 60 if the modifier rating is the max of 380. Most times you will have a combination of different value that totals up to the shown modifier value.

Each weapon has a max of 2 perks and 2 blessings. You can reroll a max of 2 of those no matter the combination. Either reroll 2 perks, 1 perks 1 blessing or 2 blessings. Once you reroll one it will be locked to beeing the only one to be rerolled as often as you want if you have the ressources.

Perks and blessings have 4 different tiers. Perks are given and there is no need to use anything but tier 4 ones when rerolling. Blessings need to be withdrawn destroying that weapon but can be applied then as often as you wish. They do have limitations in rarity sometimes. Some blessings dont have a tier 4 one so you might rather look for what you like and not whats the highest tier.

Curios are different but quite straightforward so i dont think you need an explanation therefor.

[Taiji]

Originally posted by Nexus:

like... in the most basic of terms.

i know its partially rng based much to my own dismay. but can you just keep re-rolling for perfect stats provided you have the currency?

Yes. You do this by repeatedly buying the weapon, and selling the rejects.

Originally posted by Nexus:

is it even possible to max everything out?

No. 380 is max total. 5 stats with maximum values of 80 means you'd need a max total of 400. So you have to decide which stats you least desire to be maxed because you have -20% that has to be there somewhere.

Originally posted by Nexus:

do weapon re-works in future updates effect weapons you have upgrade?

Yes.

[J.P.]

"partially rng" **LAUGHS IN GACCHA**