Not sure what veteran keystone to get

[vortex]

Should I go with "Swap weapons like crazy", "Never mark targets again unless you're ready to kill them", or "Don't move. Ever"?

[Slithy]

Focus Target is really good for team play and really good for when you encounter monstrosities. Also serves as a "Marksman" buff whenever you encounter a Crusher and you're out of Krak Grenades.

[pumkin1988]

I really enjoy the target one. When I don't have Grenades I can kick Crusher ass a lot easier now lol

The big yellow target is annoying AF to look at though but alas alas here we are

[Illumina]

Originally posted by Slithy:

Focus Target is really good for team play and really good for when you encounter monstrosities. Also serves as a "Marksman" buff whenever you encounter a Crusher and you're out of Krak Grenades.

What is a Krak Grenade to a man with a Plasma Gun.

[Gilandilas]

skip the capstones, grab krak grenades so you can play something BUT plasma if you want, grab what you can from the trees.

silly? yes. are the capstones bad? also yes - it is what it is.

[Dragon]

Played vet today.

Focus seems weak, at least on damnation where its hyper important you are moving and flowing into and out of melee.

Tagging is great, lets you break a lot of damage breakpoints on specialists and elites. try it with a high damage gun like a shotty or plasma, its busted.

Specialist skill is great, lets you get buffs and mix your weapons even better than before. Wouldn't say a ton of it's attached buffs are great though.

[Dig1tal]

only middle keystone is good

[box]

None or the Left Keystone even though it too is dog.

[Shiny Rayquaza]

All the keystones are good, they have a certain play style but are easy to use. I initially thought most of them would be trash but after testing they are all pretty strong in one way or another.

Marksman is really easy to stack since its any weakspot kill, so just shooting into a horde can get 10/15 stacks really easy. And they drop off pretty slow while moving.
Focus Target can make killing bulky targets easier, but not only that, you can provide 7.5-12% bonus damage to your allies with the right side modifier. What the node doesnt tell you, each tag kill refreshes the buff, so even if you tag an enemy with only 3 stacks, it will refresh the 8 stack buff (might be a bug though).
Weapon Specialist allows for the most flexability, giving you a strong melee buff since vets can struggle with melee at times. And taking it with Agile Engagement boost the keystone even more.

[Haggis]

Originally posted by Dragon:

Specialist skill is great, lets you get buffs and mix your weapons even better than before. Wouldn't say a ton of it's attached buffs are great though.

The one that reloads 3.33% of your ammo per stack is great (you get 10 stacks, so that is 33% of your ammunition being reloaded instantly so long as you have killed 10 enemies, and even if you haven't killed 10 you will still get something back for the few kills you have got, ensuring you will almost always be able to shoot). You basically don't have to reload ever. I've been enjoying it with the revolver, you will essentially always have 1-2 shots to deal with that sniper/trapper that came round the corner and needs to die NOW.

There's also another one that gives you toughness back when you swap weapons when you have the stacks. More toughness heals, especially on a melee-oriented Vet, is greatly appreciated.

The rest seemed a bit meh to me. Why bother having reload speed when I don't need to reload? And I already have infinite stamina due to getting 30% back on a dodge. The other two are great though so I'll happily just take them and invest my spare points in grenades.

[sergantuss]

Focus Target(with all upgrades for it) is legit a good ♥♥♥♥.
more dmg to the elites + stamina and shield restoration after it dead + more dmg after it dead not only for you but team! legit good

not even gona mention that everyone will be focusing who you marked for buffs

[Kuma]

Follow the pro tips from the so called pros and do not play veteran, you have plenty to choose--oh wait you don't. 1 class out of 4 is unusable right now, next lets cry about psyker next so they nerf that too so it becomes only 2 classes.
Noobs never understand that nerfing is not the solution but making OTHER classes to their level is the way to go.
This way the game will freeze into only few usable one trick ponies and honestly even pre-rework there wasn't that much to choose from.
Now it's a complete joke and will get even worst, what a pile of steaming garbage this game is.

[Vicid]

Originally posted by Kuma:

Follow the pro tips from the so called pros and do not play veteran, you have plenty to choose--oh wait you don't. 1 class out of 4 is unusable right now, next lets cry about psyker next so they nerf that too so it becomes only 2 classes.
Noobs never understand that nerfing is not the solution but making OTHER classes to their level is the way to go.
This way the game will freeze into only few usable one trick ponies and honestly even pre-rework there wasn't that much to choose from.
Now it's a complete joke and will get even worst, what a pile of steaming garbage this game is.

No one was calling for vet nerfs

[Kuma]

Originally posted by Vicid:

Originally posted by Kuma:

Follow the pro tips from the so called pros and do not play veteran, you have plenty to choose--oh wait you don't. 1 class out of 4 is unusable right now, next lets cry about psyker next so they nerf that too so it becomes only 2 classes.
Noobs never understand that nerfing is not the solution but making OTHER classes to their level is the way to go.
This way the game will freeze into only few usable one trick ponies and honestly even pre-rework there wasn't that much to choose from.
Now it's a complete joke and will get even worst, what a pile of steaming garbage this game is.

No one was calling for vet nerfs

Nooo no one, i remember the powersword criers, the criers who kept saying easy mode veteran because it could one tap elites or criers cause there were 4 vets teams just steam rolling everything.
I kept hearing nothing but whining about veterans and now it got nerfed down to useless and the opposite happens, no one wanted this no one wanted that.

[Dio]

In my opinion only the Weapon specialist keystone is actually worth it, since that one is great even without the minor subnodes. Picking up a keystone plus subnodes is just too expensive compared to what you get. The marking focus ability is nice but only if you also get subnodes, and at that point you have very little leeway (i think maybe just 3-4 extra nodes total except for the path leading to your keystone)

Weapons specialist however is great, helps crit builds and melee builds.

[Apo]

Best keystone is to get none.
Not only they cost a buttload of points to even reach, but all of them are pretty thrash if not straight away huritng you/your team like the supergarbage focus target.

Sure, it works in low int sedition where there are 1 enemy per 10 mins so you can tag that single enemy.

In aurics?
Yea, there are 10+ enemies to be tagged, especially with specialist waves.
Not to mention it is the worse ability that was in VT2 for which hunter captain, who gave flat 20% to ANY tagged enemy....

Marksman focus?
I heared you like to move, so yea, dont bother, the damage boost is nonexistent as you are forced to move in high difficulties.

So you are left with weapon specialst which is the worst side of the tree with all the junk talents just to get there and doesnt offer anything super useful to waste 10+ points for it.


A great nerf on the already thrash veteran skill tree, but hey, at least they managed to fix a few bugs and give a super 2% extra damage on the joke aura...