Vet stealth vs Zealot STealth

[BoltHarrier]

Which is better? The Fanatic seems to be able to get INSANE speeds, but wondering what the Veteran has to offer

[AzZotik]

Hiding from enemies is disrespecting God-Emperor of Mankind, stand with your fellow Rejects and fight like a man.

[BoltHarrier]

Originally posted by AzZotik:

Hiding from enemies is disrespecting God-Emperor of Mankind, stand with your fellow Rejects and fight like a man.

Go ahead, say that in front of anyone from the Officio Assassinatorum, see how well that goes for you.

In all seriousness, I want to be able to safely pick up teammates without worrying about the ♥♥♥♥-♥♥♥♥ that is the hordes

[AzZotik]

Originally posted by Thunderhawk:

Originally posted by AzZotik:

Hiding from enemies is disrespecting God-Emperor of Mankind, stand with your fellow Rejects and fight like a man.

In all seriousness, I want to be able to safely pick up teammates without worrying about the ♥♥♥♥-♥♥♥♥ that is the hordes

Then you want Veteran, he both has longer stealth, option to trigger it twice in a row and "Leave No One Behind" which adds movement and revive/assist speed when you walk towards a downed teammate, on top of +33% damage resistance for teammate who got up for 5 seconds. If you are good at hacking minigame you can also use Infiltrate to quickly do hacking when others are too overwhelmed to cover you from attacks.

Sadly you cannot carry objective items while Infiltrate works, there is that.

[Le Hatch]

Zealot's is stronger by far. A crit from stealth that can gib an entire swathe of mobs or one shot even crushers, toughness regen, and damage reduction to boot. Couple that with the modifier down below to refund on crits and you can mash that key as often as you want.

[HOLY ♥♥♥♥ ITS MOTHMAN]

Going by opportunity cost I'd say Zealot stealth is far better with more tools for going for huge damage plays (such as literally one shotting Damnation level bosses). Going Veteran stealth means you drop Voice of Command which is far better than any of the other combat abilities, and doesn't leave your team mates high and dry.

While you can get some clutch plays with infiltrate you are less likely to need to do said clutch plays in the first place by not randomly vanishing off enemies' aggro list increasing the focus fire on your team, and instead giving everyone a huge +100 toughness whilst knocking everything down on a very short CD even if you somehow aren't killing specials.

Might be eating my words in the next patch, but atm VoC is far too good to pass up. Probably why I also advocate for it getting nerfed.

[varicose 'vascular' vinny]

Veteran stealth has a horrible slowdown for no real reason, which really hurts it for me considering it's way more reposition focused than Zealots. Let me move then, no need to waste like a second of my move speed buff. Zealot stealth is goated from the uptime alone, you have to choose to die with this loadout.

Originally posted by AzZotik:

Sadly you cannot carry objective items while Infiltrate works, there is that.

You can pick them up in stealth, just re grab it. Stealth is for all objectives, especially the new Hab Drayko waves where you get very little peace to do scanning.

[Abyss]

Originally posted by AzZotik:

Originally posted by Thunderhawk:

In all seriousness, I want to be able to safely pick up teammates without worrying about the ♥♥♥♥-♥♥♥♥ that is the hordes

Then you want Veteran, he both has longer stealth, option to trigger it twice in a row and "Leave No One Behind" which adds movement and revive/assist speed when you walk towards a downed teammate, on top of +33% damage resistance for teammate who got up for 5 seconds. If you are good at hacking minigame you can also use Infiltrate to quickly do hacking when others are too overwhelmed to cover you from attacks.

Sadly you cannot carry objective items while Infiltrate works, there is that.

Yes you can. You just need to infiltrate first. Then with the 8s of stealth + the 90% threat reduction, its basically a free objective. Pretty wild.

[❛❛Vénttea❜❜]

Zealot Stealth is used for more Offensive Playstyles.
Veteran Stealth is used for more Strategic Playstyles.

They're very different in its uses and are better than either in their respective fields.
I would have to say, Veteran Stealth is harder to utilize to its full potential compared to Zealot.

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by Thunderhawk:

Which is better?

Pizza or Ice Cream, which is better?

I'd argue both are a poor choice given the alternatives.

[Snobby Hobo]

Veterans is worse for the simple fact you're not using the insanely overpowered middle tree active.

[Dr. Merkwürdiglieben]

Originally posted by AzZotik:

Sadly you cannot carry objective items while Infiltrate works, there is that.

Yes you can. Go Stealth, THEN carry objective item.

If you carry the item and go stealth, it gets dropped, BUT you can pick it up again.....

[Derpro]

I've only played the zealot with stealth so far and it works very well. Not sure what options the veteran gets especially, but it does seem to eliminate some important disadventages they have in melee combat if used reasonably.

[Metalsiren IXI]

Originally posted by Thunderhawk:

Which is better? The Fanatic seems to be able to get INSANE speeds, but wondering what the Veteran has to offer

Both need to be removed as they just funnel more enemies onto your teammates lmao

[Arani]

Originally posted by Thunderhawk:

Which is better? The Fanatic seems to be able to get INSANE speeds, but wondering what the Veteran has to offer

They're fundamentally different, especially when you look at their sub-talents.

The vet stealth focuses on utility and teamplay. With up to 18s virtual stealth with the reduced threat, extra charge and bonuses to rezzing, it can easily travel huge distances undetected, while rezzing multiple allies or soloing objectives from decryption to lugging power cells. It can be used for minimal combat bonuses too, but that's clearly not where it shines. Its longer cooldown and extra charges reflect this purpose, where you typically want to sit on at least 1 charge for when things go wrong and make the biggest possible plays with it.

Meanwhile the zealot stealth focuses specifically on combat & damage. With a low duration, cooldown, extreme combat bonuses and CD reductions on backstabs & crits including the Loner aura, it's something you want to use frequently to get those big shots at priority enemies no matter where they are, while dealing maximum carnage to recharge it in seconds.

So they are similar and both can be used for combat or utility, but they obviously have opposing strengths and weaknesses and most of the time you want to play into those strengths.

Originally posted by Metalsiren IXI:

Originally posted by Thunderhawk:

Which is better? The Fanatic seems to be able to get INSANE speeds, but wondering what the Veteran has to offer

Both need to be removed as they just funnel more enemies onto your teammates lmao

And when used well they also pay back for it with interest. Besides all big hits finish their animations despite the stealth, meaning their team has plenty of time to adjust even if that crusher moves to you next. The stealth skills are absolutely pro-team abilities. And the players who don't use them that way tend to get weeded out very quickly on T5+.

[MrHugz]

Best use of stealth on Vet is for repositioning and threat reduction. As opposed to Zealot who gets all kinds of melee buffs and using stealth as a tool to build for massive damage or get in close, stealth vet can easily get you out of tricky situations or at a firing angle that lets you deal with a group of gunners and shooters unscathed. This is further pushed by the 90% reduced threat perk which effectively gives you a extra 10 seconds of stealth from ranged enemies, although melee enemies will still aggro to you if there's nothing closer.