The lasgun isn't good.

[Derpro]

The lasgun, which includes the Hellbore and all the Kantrael models are at best mid for veteran in this game. Use the las pistol instead, thank you.

[Zef]

引用自 Derpro：

引用自 Murwing：

Use plasma instead

Use laspistol instead. The plasma one is too different to do the lasgun's job.

I agree, while the heavy laspistol has the least base damage of all the non automatic las weapons it does have:

- no recoil
- decent/high ammo
- you don't need to zoom in, hipfire headshots are easy to pull off
- high visibility / situatial awareness because not zoomed in and small(er) weapon model

for the more thougher enemies you can equip kraks to take care off

add the power sword with the cycler so you can special attack several times and there is nothing you can't take on.

the only downsides really are the low base damage and the fact that if you don't use the autoclicker mod you will spam left click like crazy during firefights

[Eidrog]

I kept the very first lasgun the veteran starts with. Stats are completely awful. When I want to play 'lore accurate' I use it. : D

[Derpro]

引用自 Phoenix Legacy：

引用自 Derpro：

That is okay for malice. On heresy+ there's too many enemies for it to be reliable. Only so many enemies you can kill due to its mediocre rate of fire and horrible close-ranged options.

Not really. it's called Melee when the mobs assault. beyond that you can long-range snipe those gunners and such. I do it often with Zealot that got a nice Revolver.

The mobs get into close range far more often on higher difficulties, due to their sheer numbers, with groups of melee elites being a common sight. Long range sniping situations are few per level on higher difficulty and usually requires your group to cover you while you take aim, which is rarely ever worth the risk. There are better alternatives for long range sniping in the game that do not compromise your close-ranged options like the lasgun does.

[Derpro]

引用自 Zef：

引用自 Derpro：

Use laspistol instead. The plasma one is too different to do the lasgun's job.

I agree, while the heavy laspistol has the least base damage of all the non automatic las weapons it does have:

- no recoil
- decent/high ammo
- you don't need to zoom in, hipfire headshots are easy to pull off
- high visibility / situatial awareness because not zoomed in and small(er) weapon model

for the more thougher enemies you can equip kraks to take care off

add the power sword with the cycler so you can special attack several times and there is nothing you can't take on.

the only downsides really are the low base damage and the fact that if you don't use the autoclicker mod you will spam left click like crazy during firefights

Pretty true, not to mention the las pistol also comes with:
- Better mobility which means better dodging and provides you with melee options
- Faster swapping, which means it is easy to switch between it and your melee weapon
- Faster reload

The faster rate of fire also makes it better at dealing with hordes, and even with the reduced damage it does one-shot enemies on higher difficulties with weakspot hits like the normal lasgun does.

I guess the minus is that it doesn't come with a flashlight?

[Jakal, Lady kisser]

sadly the weapon's playstyle isn't compatible with low-skill tactics.

[Mirau Azal]

引用自 Derpro：

The lasgun, which includes the Hellbore and all the Kantrael models are at best mid for veteran in this game. Use the las pistol instead, thank you.

Sounds like a skill issue and not rolling a proper one + decent talent tree then. Which is fair, without a bit of planning they are pretty mid.

Go full crit build with weakspot crit chance increase & deadshot included and crit ammo return. Go for both +10% rending and stacking 2.5% brittleness per shot. Don't forget a +Stamina curio with Stamina regen.

Literally every lasgun is viable like this, no executioner's stance needed. But it turns it from a good weapon into a broken weapon - all ranged will die at your hands and it just becomes OG Veteran. The laspistol is weaker than the lasguns but is still a good weapon with its instant-quickswap speed, low recoil & high stability / movement speed.

Go ammo return aura if you want, but it's not needed. You can even play this with just a shout build for extra teamplay if you aren't the super greatest at chaining gun kills for exe. stance.

[Woldy]

the lasgun is fine. hits hard, very accurate. simple and useful.

[Derpro]

引用自 Jhea：

lasgun is top notch.
just spam at hordes
aim for the heads at specials, shoot twice, kill a special
have a great time, have pretty much unlimited ammo for more spamming.

pretty much headshot everything by spamklicking across the map.

the las gun is just hilariously OP
same goes for autoguns

i have hard times doing stuff with bolters or plasmaguns on auric heresy or damnation, but with those puppies.., *chefskiss*

No matter how much you shoot, you can only kill so much with a lasgun due to its mediocre rate of fire and lack of crowd control. It cannot hold hordes or groups of elites in check and aiming for headshots will always compromise your security in melee, which the game will not forgive unless others will cover you.

The other two weapons you mentioned though are gimmicky and not very versatile options for higher difficulties

[Derpro]

引用自 Woldy：

the lasgun is fine. hits hard, very accurate. simple and useful.

It might be, but in practice in a game like Darktide it's at best mid and at worst compromises your melee options where you don't need to.

[Derpro]

引用自 Jakal the jaunty jizzler：

sadly the weapon's playstyle isn't compatible with low-skill tactics.

What high-skill tactics work with the lasgun in a situation where a squad of scab maulers & ragers storm towards you with a pox horde from multiple angles?

[Woldy]

引用自 Derpro：

引用自 Woldy：

the lasgun is fine. hits hard, very accurate. simple and useful.

It might be, but in practice in a game like Darktide it's at best mid and at worst compromises your melee options where you don't need to.

not really, its good for sniping key targets like gunners and snipers. And for chaff, a melee weapon with good sweeps get that done. And anything bigger, chainsaws and shockhammers. chainaxe or zealot big chainsword is really ideal with a lasgun, makes up for its weaknesses, that being enemies swarming you.

[Woldy]

引用自 Derpro：

引用自 Jakal the jaunty jizzler：

sadly the weapon's playstyle isn't compatible with low-skill tactics.

What high-skill tactics work with the lasgun in a situation where a squad of scab maulers & ragers storm towards you with a pox horde from multiple angles?

just whip out your melee weapon or go for the head. a Vet with exe stance nailing headshots with a lasgun is gonna put down berserkers and maulers quick fast.

[Derpro]

引用自 Woldy：

引用自 Derpro：

It might be, but in practice in a game like Darktide it's at best mid and at worst compromises your melee options where you don't need to.

not really, its good for sniping key targets like gunners and snipers. And for chaff, a melee weapon with good sweeps get that done. And anything bigger, chainsaws and shockhammers. chainaxe or zealot big chainsword is really ideal with a lasgun, makes up for its weaknesses, that being enemies swarming you.

I agree that zealots in particular make up for a lot of the lasguns biggest weaknesses with the melee options they already have. In my opinion zealots have better and faster ranged options that do what the lasgun can do better, but lasgun is fine for zealot if you prefer the capacity of ammo. For veteran in particular though, I think that both the kantrael and helbore lasgun are horrible options.

[Derpro]

引用自 Woldy：

引用自 Derpro：

What high-skill tactics work with the lasgun in a situation where a squad of scab maulers & ragers storm towards you with a pox horde from multiple angles?

just whip out your melee weapon or go for the head. a Vet with exe stance nailing headshots with a lasgun is gonna put down berserkers and maulers quick fast.

In practice I think this is a death sentence for a veteran. Needing to move to dodge while firing while getting headshots on armored enemies with a weapon that lacks automatic fire or other means of crowd control is a horrible scenario to be in as an executioner stance veteran with a lasgun.

[Mirau Azal]

引用自 Derpro：

引用自 Woldy：

just whip out your melee weapon or go for the head. a Vet with exe stance nailing headshots with a lasgun is gonna put down berserkers and maulers quick fast.

In practice I think this is a death sentence for a veteran. Needing to move to dodge while firing while getting headshots on armored enemies with a weapon that lacks automatic fire or other means of crowd control is a horrible scenario to be in as an executioner stance veteran with a lasgun.

One of the essential skills for higher skilled Vet play is being able to use your dodges (especially with a decent mobility stat btw) while under pressure. And if you're unable to do so, stop trying. Literally throw grenades, back up, use your shout if you have it or go stealth. Hell, go catachan sword and parry spam so you don't get gibbed while you back off. You have a lot of paths to compensate for either the lack of skill or consistency for random teams.

Or if you want to just nullify like, half your weakness as Vet just go power sword with power cycler and sunder. Power up and chainstun basically anything (attacking ragers included) except Crushers, which the push attack depending on which sword you use does heavy Carapace damage.