What is different between the Columnus, Aggrippina and Graia gun?

[Emmanuelexe]

Like, is Collumns the most violent but the less stable, opposite to the Aggrippina? im not sure

What make these 3 machineguns different?

[Chaos]

Aggrippina - High damage, Low firerate, High recoil, Low ammo count
Graia - Balanced
Columnus - High firerate, Low damage (DPS is still high tho), Low recoil, High ammo count

That's how it usually go.

[box]

Range and aim down sights options?

Its confusing that Agrippina has a braced, headhunter and shotgun variant.
Columnus seems like an assault rifle/smg type with too much sway for long range.
Graia seems to be a mid to close range assault rifle.

Im not sure I dont like using those guns at their "apparent" ranges since at that point you might as well switch to melee.

[Emmanuelexe]

Originally posted by Chaos:

Aggrippina - High damage, Low firerate, High recoil, Low ammo count
Graia - Balanced
Columnus - High firerate, Low damage (DPS is still high tho), Low recoil, High ammo count

That's how it usually go.

Thank you!

[Mix-Master Phil]

Originally posted by Emmanuelexe:

Originally posted by Chaos:

Aggrippina - High damage, Low firerate, High recoil, Low ammo count
Graia - Balanced
Columnus - High firerate, Low damage (DPS is still high tho), Low recoil, High ammo count

That's how it usually go.

Thank you!

To go even further Both Aggrippina's (Braced and Infantry) have High Cleave(Penetration) where its entirely possible to shoot through say a Flamer into a Mutant with the Infantry Variant(tested in meatgrinder) and Certain specialists but not all with the braced variant which has less Cleave.

The Graia Infantry Gun doesn't have enough cleave to go through certain specialists/elites/maniacs and hit the enemy behind that one, but for the regular horde Infested It will Cleave through that and hit at least one behind it.

The Braced Graia trades that for having the highest Magazine Capacity and Overall Ammo Pool Capacity of all the braced Gun's.

From recent experience though without any cleave i'm starting to find it hurts on harder difficulties where you may want to thin a horde out a bit before getting into melee and only hitting the immediate enemies in the front portions of a horde.

The current one i'm using has a 71rnd Magazine Capacity and about 750 in the Ammo Pool.

[Emmanuelexe]

I see! I will check to get an Aggrippina too!

[Forest]

Brown: high damage, high recoil, low ROF, smaller magazine

Green: Balanced middle ground

Blue: low damage, ok recoil, very high ROF, beeeg magazin.

How it normally is between the gun types except the autogun. What ever reason brown and green switch spots with green being the slowest but hardest hitting and brown being the middle.

[Katokevin]

Originally posted by Emmanuelexe:

I see! I will check to get an Aggrippina too!

Braced Aggrippina is a good choice for flak armored targets IMO. Good damage vs flak and maniac makes it an excellent choice for groups of maulers, ragers, and shotgunners. One with a good stability stat has the low RoF work in its favor as you can start firing full auto on maulers and ragers from a safe distance while still landing most or all of your shots while braced quite easily.

[Emmanuelexe]

For hordes of zombies/not armored enemies on Aurique/Maelstrom, what is the best? Braced Aggrippina then? For the DPS.

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by Emmanuelexe:

What is different between the Columnus, Aggrippina and Graia gun?

Which gun are we talking about? Darktide isn't unified in what that means.

Originally posted by Emmanuelexe:

What make these 3 machineguns different?

Since there are no machine guns in the game, i assume you are inquiring about either Braced or Infantry Autogun. And since you mention the Graia, i assume we are talking about Braced Autoguns?


Infantry autoguns are decent against Unyielding (Monsters and Ogryns) and Maniacs (Ragers and Flamers) and weak against Flak armor (Scabs) and Carapace (Mauler and Crusher).

The Graia Infantry Autogun has medium rate of fire (about 10 rounds per second), with an okay control. It has twice the stagger of the Colmnus and more stagger than the Agripinaa. It works struggles to snipe Snipers and Bombers at a distance with ADS. It has about 1800 DPS.

The Columnus Infantry Autogun has high rate of fire (about 13 rounds per second), with the most control (lowest spread and sway). It works fine to snipe Snipers at a distance with ADS. It struggles with Bombers. It has in excess of 2400 DPS (unfortunately the Dreg Ragers don't have more HP)

The Agripinaa Infantry Autogun has low rate of fire (about 8 rounds per second), highest damage of the 3. It can ADS snipe Snipers and Bombers at a distance with ease. The Agripinaa also has enough cleave to shoot through a Poxwalker, making it the best choice for anti horde of the 3. Has about 1800 DPS.



Infantry Braced autoguns suck at range. The first round out of the hipfire is quite accurate so you can sort of single shot snipe with them, but that is not what they are there for. They have also worse control than the Infantry Autoguns. They don't really excell against any type of enemy in particular. The difference between each armor class is miniscule, but typically Maniacs they are best, Flak armor the worst.

The Graia Braced Autogun has about the same fire rate as the Columnus, but less stagger and is about on par with the Agripinaa Infantry Autogun. It is the most accurate of the 3 braced autoguns, but also has the least damage per bullet. Difference between Flak and Maniac damage is hardly worth mentioning. It has about 1200 DPS

The Columnus has an about 11 RPS firerate with more stagger than the Infantry Autoguns. Coming in at about 9. It is the least accurate one, and has a noticable difference in their Flak armor vs Maniac damage of about 1/3. It has about 1800 DPS.

The Agripinaa will cleave through 1 poxwalker and stagger them so hard they fall down with the first shot. It has an "amazing" 17 stagger. With an about 8 RPS firerate it is also the slowest. With about 2200 DPS.


Values given here are from my own tests in the Psykhanium, with grey or green weapons (and stats that don't apply) and the same build for all 6 weapons, to keep it as consistent as possible.

Originally posted by Emmanuelexe:

For hordes of zombies/not armored enemies on Aurique/Maelstrom, what is the best?

Your melee weapon. I am sorry, but i generally prefer my teammates not to waste ammo on the horde.

[Fizzie]

The game does a good job at hiding information - Differences between weapon types behind name "classifications". Mostly seen in auto/lasguns but also axes.
QoL ui update would be nice.

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by Fizzie:

QoL ui update would be nice.

Unfortunately it is not a bug but an intended feature. Allegedly the Devs don't even want the color coding of blue = light & fast, brown = hard & slow and green Body = average.

Made a thread about that on the official feedback forum why the (then) new weapons broke this and was told it was accidentally that the body colors aligned like that in the first place.

[Emmanuelexe]

Yeah, better to use melee weapon for horde than a Bracet autogun, i prefer guns who can snipe the gunners or destroy strong elites but i wanted to check some other ways to fight stuff.
My favorite is the revolver pistol for now but i will see for the other guns again!
The Columnus Infantry Autogun looks interesting too!

[Arani]

Originally posted by Chaos:

Aggrippina - High damage, Low firerate, High recoil, Low ammo count
Graia - Balanced
Columnus - High firerate, Low damage (DPS is still high tho), Low recoil, High ammo count

That's how it usually go.

This except Graia & Columnus swapped (thx Lazar!). I haven't compared since patch #14 but previously Graia & Columnus IA had something weird going on. It was something like they both had the same ammo count but Columnus just did more dmg or something like that. Doesn't matter anymore I suppose, I haven't really compared them since the changes. But quite a few gun variants used to be just completely neglected balance-wise. ... I wonder, are the other Kantrael Infantry Lasguns viable now, or is it still just XII objectively being the best?

Anyway. The nerfs to Sustained Fire and Punishing Salvo hit Agripinaa IA the hardest (+20% dmg / weakspot damage on 3:rd & 4:th shots in a salvo). The blessings used to apply to 2:nd and 3:rd shots, which if you tipped the mouse down just a bit would let you easily to score at least 2 and often 3-round headshots up to long mid range distances. Its recoil gets exponentially worse after 2 shots though, so it's now much worse off than before.

But on the plus side, the Columnus is an absolute beast right now. My friends recommended one with Fire Frenzy and Dumdum, and I must say it's a machine. The recoil is all over the place but it slaps really hard and lets you mow down almost anything like grass. :>

[Judge Lazar]

Originally posted by Chaos:

Aggrippina - High damage, Low firerate, High recoil, Low ammo count
Graia - Balanced
Columnus - High firerate, Low damage (DPS is still high tho), Low recoil, High ammo count

That's how it usually go.

Columnus is the middle tier, Graia is the bullet hose.

[Chaos]

Originally posted by Judge Lazar:

Columnus is the middle tier, Graia is the bullet hose.

I was thinking of inf autogun when I write that, since I don't use braced gun very often, so I forgot that colum and graia stats swap here.