How strong are we lore wise?

[Zempakto]

So if you wonder how strong our strike teams are lore wise, or "would we be able to take down a space marine", then I have a few thoughts to share.

Considering how heavily our teams rely on agility, dodging and mobility, our strike teams lean a lot in the Aeldari (space elves) or even Drukhari (dark space elves) style of combat. And if you think about it, simply changing how we and our weapons look like, will make us almost a perfect representation of how Eldar fight and use "hit and run tactics". You say psyker? I say warlock! You say Zealot? I say Banshi or Striking Scorpions! Veteran? Dire Avengers! Ogryn? Well, he is an ogryn no matter what. We have to protect our big ones, the are too bright for this world...

So, if we are more like eldar in gameplay and performance, then how do we perform by their standards? Well, we lean a lot into the semi "elite" section (i mean, we deal with chaos ogryns like its nothing), at least those of us who really learned the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game, instead of whining about how "psyker is op and has to get nerfed". And what do we know about semi Elite eldar? They can deal with Space marines. Not with ease, not with elite space marines, but they CAN and they DO deal with the regular ones.

So overall we are kinda strong, and despite the fact that we can be brought down by unwashed masses with metal pipes, we can kill thousands upon thousands before they will be able to overwhelm us. Btw the captain that we kill in the assasination mission fights somewhat like a space marine if you think about that.

[gotthammer]

the rejects-turned-inquisitorial retinue/strike team/whatever that y'all play as are kinda really strong, compared to how they'd probably really be 'in lore'.

If we were playing as people named Ciaphas Cain and Jurgen (plus a couple of Valhallans maybe, or a certain Inquisitor Vail), then maybe it would be okay 'lorewise', as the plot armour of that lot is...pretty high. :P

1 on 1, the average human wouldn't be a match for Aeldari aspect warrior (or the Drukhari equivalent).

The 'balance' (e.g., incl. how many we can kill in a mission) kinda reminded me of Fire Warrior, at times (a rather silly game where a lone Fire Warrior takes on countless guardsmen and Chaos forces, incl. Chaos space marines; I think he even killed a titan in the book. It had cool cinematics, tho', and, for the longest time, probably some of the more lore-accurate depiction of 40k's weapons, like the Bolter).

I do wish they add playable Eldar in the future. And squats/kin/whatever. Kerillian and Bardin in spaaaace. Throw in a playable T'au and/or Kroot, too. The can hand wave the lore by saying 'Radical Ordo Xenos Inquisitor' or 'needs must'. :P

[wistful_dread]

Absolutely not.

First off, Eldar speed is literally unachievable by humans. Humans in the fiction routinely describe Eldar movements as "too fast to see".

This is just general melee combat. Our rejects really aren't super-humanly impressive. Even compared to amongst other humans.

By "Eldar standards" we are still literal children. Hell, by their standards Marines are neonates.

The Captain we fight is NOWHERE near the standard of a Marine. He's an unaugmented Human in Carapace. What a joke

At rank 30, we are the equivalent of: our tabletop equivalent. That's it. We're the generic unnamed characters. Better than a rank and file, but literally numerous enough to be insignificant.

A Marine would literally one-shot any of us. Ogryn included.

It's important to realize the power-scale of 40k is very different to Fantasy. 40k has a way higher ceiling, and humans are near the bottom

[Cruddy]

As strong as the Writers/Games Workshop allows.

[SamEstine]

If interested, I'll link to a similar thread here, some comments are a good read:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1361210/discussions/0/3878220223853708888/?ctp=11

[BluB3rry]

Originally posted by Zempakto:

So if you wonder how strong our strike teams are lore wise

You are not dead yet. The whole game could be measured in few weeks real time between your conscription to fight fallen guardsman unit under minor nurgle incursion. So we are at guardsman tier strong

[gotthammer]

Originally posted by wistful_dread:

At rank 30, we are the equivalent of: our tabletop equivalent. That's it. We're the generic unnamed characters. Better than a rank and file, but literally numerous enough to be insignificant.

Eh, I don't think so. We're definitely more powerful than...a lot of tabletop units. I've tried using Inquisitorial retinues (back in 4th Ed., particularly the time when a lot of the codices were still 3rd Ed. lol), and they're nowhere near as powerful (or lasts as long) as the Darktide 'rejects'.

That carapace armoured dude? Considering how tough he is (also has an energy shield, if memory serves), and how many we killed just to get to him...he might as well be a space marine...in terminator armour (energy shield = invul. save, if that's still a thing in current edition).
Esp. considering the weapons we're using (e.g., power weapons and bolters (even if they're supposedly of a smaller calibre than SM bolters)).

[EvilJoshy]

We're meat for the grinder. Nothing else. One of the untold trillions fighting and dying in a never ending conflict so the imperium can keep going for just a bit longer.

[gotthammer]

Originally posted by EvilJoshy:

We're meat for the grinder. Nothing else. One of the untold trillions fighting and dying in a never ending conflict so the imperium can keep going for just a bit longer.

Considering the number, and kinds, of enemies we mow down, even at the highest difficulty...I think we're a cut above the usual 'meat for the meat grinder'.

Unless protected by plot armour, I don't think 4 guardsmen can readily take down a Chaos Spawn (unless maybe they're a heavy weapons team, and the Chaos Spawn is a few turns away, I guess)

[snK]

This ♥♥♥♥ is literally what keeps games from being enjoyable by the masses.
Bunch of gatekeeping nerds.

[John Cena]

we are the best of the best. we are hand picked by an inquisitor to serve the emprah. we could easily kill a chaos space marine in a 4v1 fight.

these noobs saying we dont stand a chance are just noobs. space marines are killed by humans all the time.

[SamEstine]

Originally posted by Luke Skywalker:

we are the best of the best. we are hand picked by an inquisitor to serve the emprah. we could easily kill a chaos space marine in a 4v1 fight.

these noobs saying we dont stand a chance are just noobs. space marines are killed by humans all the time.

Yes inquisitor, this reply.

[Antearz]

Originally posted by Zempakto:

So if you wonder how strong our strike teams are lore wise, or "would we be able to take down a space marine", then I have a few thoughts to share.

Considering how heavily our teams rely on agility, dodging and mobility, our strike teams lean a lot in the Aeldari (space elves) or even Drukhari (dark space elves) style of combat. And if you think about it, simply changing how we and our weapons look like, will make us almost a perfect representation of how Eldar fight and use "hit and run tactics". You say psyker? I say warlock! You say Zealot? I say Banshi or Striking Scorpions! Veteran? Dire Avengers! Ogryn? Well, he is an ogryn no matter what. We have to protect our big ones, the are too bright for this world...

So, if we are more like eldar in gameplay and performance, then how do we perform by their standards? Well, we lean a lot into the semi "elite" section (i mean, we deal with chaos ogryns like its nothing), at least those of us who really learned the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game, instead of whining about how "psyker is op and has to get nerfed". And what do we know about semi Elite eldar? They can deal with Space marines. Not with ease, not with elite space marines, but they CAN and they DO deal with the regular ones.

So overall we are kinda strong, and despite the fact that we can be brought down by unwashed masses with metal pipes, we can kill thousands upon thousands before they will be able to overwhelm us. Btw the captain that we kill in the assasination mission fights somewhat like a space marine if you think about that.

The Simple Answer is.
SLOW.

We dont Compare to them at all.
Yes alot of Good Players will be moving Quickly and Dodge etc.
But this isnt the Teleporting Like Super Speed Stuff and Exotic Movements of the Eldari.
Its Experience and Battle Sense Dodging of Players who know the Enemies Movements.
Players can Dodge here because they have Memorized the Patterns over time.
Also. While Players do Dodge. They also do have the Fortitude to take Hits if Necessary etc.
Especially our Toughness mostly Represents our Ability to use our Armor, Trained Body and Personal Skills to to Parry, Deflect or otherwise throw off Hits Scored on us which would otherwise cause Significant Damage to our Bodies.
Beyond that we also do have the mental Fortitude to Continue Fighting despite taking Injuries etc.

The Eldari dont have this.



If You remain Lore Accurate.
The Power of all 4 of our Characters comes from Holy Relics and Ancient/Legendary Equipment. As well as the Fact that we Represent Extremely Strong Willed Individuals that can Resist Chaos Corruption.



In Addition each Class of course also has their own Powers.


The Psyker is the easiest to Explain because he is a Psyker. He by Default can be Categorized to be at least an Eta level Psyker which means he can easily Burst a Brain or Tear Flesh from Skin or Shoot Fire etc.

The Zealot likely has Latent Psionic Power of Believe and also is Decked with Holy Relics.
I mean one of his Skills Literally Allows him to Pull a Power Imbued Artifact which Pushes back Nurgles Followers.

The Veterans Power is down to Battle Experience and Personal Skill.

And the Ogryn is a Strong and (for an Ogryn) very Intelligent Specimen. Which means he is by Default Strong enough to Beat a Space Marine in Melee Combat and due to being able to Wield a Heavy Weapon is easily Comparable to a Heavy Weapon Team which is how normal Humans usually deal with Space Marines.




People can Pull on it alot.
But Lorewise. Having Exceptionally Strong Humans is not that Special.
They happen in the Lore all the time in 40k
Yes its a One out of a Billion Situation. But we are in a Hive City with Tens of Billions of People.
So nothing Special is happening here 40k Lore Wise.
In almost every Siege of Hive Cities in the History of 40k. There have been Exceptional Human Defenders which Performed Vastly outside what Normal Humans are usually Capable off ;)

[Koreanpowerman]

Originally posted by wistful_dread:

Absolutely not.

First off, Eldar speed is literally unachievable by humans. Humans in the fiction routinely describe Eldar movements as "too fast to see".

This is just general melee combat. Our rejects really aren't super-humanly impressive. Even compared to amongst other humans.

By "Eldar standards" we are still literal children. Hell, by their standards Marines are neonates.

A Space Marine will win easily win against anything short of an Aspect warrior, who is better in his respective field, but inferior in the others. I`d say about 50-50, if neither is the main character of the story.

[Zargas]

Weird question.

We have the emperor on our side, do not faulter and praise be him.
He is our shield and our weapon, with him at our side nothing is impossible.

Do not suffer the heretics to win.

But honestly that is how i view this.
My vet is combat trainned, her skills are honed due to constant combat and the emperor has an eye on her.
PLOT ARMOR!

[Cousin Okri]

This is a horde shooter, not a realistic milsim. Whatever you see in-game isn't a real reflection of the capabilities of a normal human or ogryn, Unless you think any human in 40k can tank 20 bullets after another for perpetuity, after taking a short breather near his buddies.