Power Sword For Vet Feels Useless

[Fenris]

is it just me or what? chain weapons are so mutch better even when they should not be Better, normaly chain Weapons lore wise should be good against Light or medium enemies and Powerweapon against Heavy armored enemies, but My powersword deals almost NO damage and spaming mouse for is stupid, make it so its always on like in the lore, and give it more Damage atleast against armor, Normaly Powerweapons almost Ignores anything that isnt Space Marine Armor or Custodes armor there is a Reason WHY Something like the Custodes uses Power Weapons, so please Give them a big buff. Feels so Odd when i three hit an Fully armored Ogryn with a Chain Weapon but you have to hit about 10 times to Kill it wit ha Powersword

[Normalizable]

Powersword gets much better with a power cycler that gives you 2 more charged swings per weapon charge. In previous iterations, powersword was unquestionably the best weapon on the veteran. This is the tradeoff we make so we can have a balanced game with build variety.

[Fenris]

Originally posted by Normalizable:

Powersword gets much better with a power cycler that gives you 2 more charged swings per weapon charge. In previous iterations, powersword was unquestionably the best weapon on the veteran. This is the tradeoff we make so we can have a balanced game with build variety.

Normaly Powerweapons are the best Weapons in the Universe, it should have bin made so to Balance that you swing faster with chain Weapons and Delete hordes and Elites with Power Weapons just like the Bolter and the Plasma Gun, while Lasguns are best for hordes, Now there is no Use For Powerweapons because the chainsword does anything better, even before the nerf you could choose what the hack you wanted, both where cool to use, Make all Weapons Lore acurate and let people Choose what they Rather want, if People want to go With the Meta let them Do it, if they want a chainsword let them do it, Now The Strongest melee weapon in the Universe is just a Joke that even if you just wanted to use it for fun it is just such a bad option

[Arani]

They've spent the past year correctly nerfing that weapon, and prior to this patch it was still easily the strongest weapon a vet could have. I have a feeling if you spec for a ranged specialist, it's still going to be the best. Lore is completely irrelevant in the face of balance, as it always is in games.

Having tried the vets now, my very first build proved they are just as OP as all the rest. By first build, I assume you know that statistically the odds of me hitting anywhere close to its true potential are astronomically low, so I can't even imagine how strong vets will be with an actual proper build with post-patch gearing considering most of the stuff I had has all been changed to the point where we now need a completely new set of gear, perks and blessings.

From the way vet feels now and how the talents look, the biggest fundamental change now is that vets can no longer just pick a Power Sword with Power Cycler & Slaughterer and instantly be both the strongest ranged and close to strongest melee both at the same time as before. Instead, now you actually have to choose what you focus on. And if you pick a pure ranged class like vets always were before, it will come at the cost of lower melee viability.

Just as it should be.

[Fenris]

Originally posted by Arani:

They've spent the past year correctly nerfing that weapon, and prior to this patch it was still easily the strongest weapon a vet could have. I have a feeling if you spec for a ranged specialist, it's still going to be the best. Lore is completely irrelevant in the face of balance, as it always is in games.

Having tried the vets now, my very first build proved they are just as OP as all the rest. By first build, I assume you know that statistically the odds of me hitting anywhere close to its true potential are astronomically low, so I can't even imagine how strong vets will be with an actual proper build with post-patch gearing considering most of the stuff I had has all been changed to the point where we now need a completely new set of gear, perks and blessings.

From the way vet feels now and how the talents look, the biggest fundamental change now is that vets can no longer just pick a Power Sword with Power Cycler & Slaughterer and instantly be both the strongest ranged and close to strongest melee both at the same time as before. Instead, now you actually have to choose what you focus on. And if you pick a pure ranged class like vets always were before, it will come at the cost of lower melee viability.

Just as it should be.

i dont get why people Care about Balance in a PVE game? who cares who is the Strongest? just play what is Fun for you, when you make Powerweapons and chain weapons lorefriendly there is no need for Balance, as soon as the Chainweapon hits Flesh it deals MUTCH more damage, but the Damage gets Reduced to almost Zero against heavy armor, Powerweapons are awsome because heavy armor gets Ignored normaly, so it Balances eachother out, now it is just useless junk and we have the problem now with chainweapons and not with Powerweapons anymore. i Would not care if the Chainweapons was better in the end, but the Uselessness of Powerweapons are just Insane, even Naked Poxwalkers are Walking tanks

[Doppi]

Originally posted by Fenris:

Originally posted by Arani:

They've spent the past year correctly nerfing that weapon, and prior to this patch it was still easily the strongest weapon a vet could have. I have a feeling if you spec for a ranged specialist, it's still going to be the best. Lore is completely irrelevant in the face of balance, as it always is in games.

Having tried the vets now, my very first build proved they are just as OP as all the rest. By first build, I assume you know that statistically the odds of me hitting anywhere close to its true potential are astronomically low, so I can't even imagine how strong vets will be with an actual proper build with post-patch gearing considering most of the stuff I had has all been changed to the point where we now need a completely new set of gear, perks and blessings.

From the way vet feels now and how the talents look, the biggest fundamental change now is that vets can no longer just pick a Power Sword with Power Cycler & Slaughterer and instantly be both the strongest ranged and close to strongest melee both at the same time as before. Instead, now you actually have to choose what you focus on. And if you pick a pure ranged class like vets always were before, it will come at the cost of lower melee viability.

Just as it should be.

i dont get why people Care about Balance in a PVE game? who cares who is the Strongest? just play what is Fun for you, when you make Powerweapons and chain weapons lorefriendly there is no need for Balance, as soon as the Chainweapon hits Flesh it deals MUTCH more damage, but the Damage gets Reduced to almost Zero against heavy armor, Powerweapons are awsome because heavy armor gets Ignored normaly, so it Balances eachother out, now it is just useless junk and we have the problem now with chainweapons and not with Powerweapons anymore. i Would not care if the Chainweapons was better in the end, but the Uselessness of Powerweapons are just Insane, even Naked Poxwalkers are Walking tanks

Because some people find balance fun? You had your fun with a broken weapon now time to git gud I guess.

[Fenris]

i Used the weapon i had Fun With normaly i only use chain Weapons, because Power Weapons are not Brutal enough XD but from time to time i love to use Power weapons, i am still good the Vet is still one of the Coolest Classes for me atleast, it just Feels Stupid that the Strong Weapon is the weekest at the moment, i would also not Care if all Weapons had almost the same stats, as long as any weapon i want to use is not just Junk i dont Care, That is Why Balance is stupid in PVE Games just make it so all weapons are cool, and if i now need 3 hits with a chain or power weapon for an Ogryn i dont care i just want du Cut it in half because it looks funny when the upper body comes off

[Commander Hitman2b]

yeah i fully specialised in sharshooter and the power sword feel totally useless, it even worst when you combine with the previous nerf

[Arani]

Originally posted by Fenris:

i dont get why people Care about Balance in a PVE game?

If this is true then there's no point in discussing this further. The reasons for why balance matters and is one of the central focus points of all game development - not just coop but single player too -, is so completely self-evident that if you don't get it by now, nothing we say here will change that.

[Fenris]

yeah, i just want a Cool Weapon nothing more, no weapon should be useless besides the Starting level weapons, a shovel or something like this would always be worse then a chain or Power weapon, people have to accept that there are weapons who are just weaker at some point, But chain and Powerweapons should be mid to upper Tier weapons

[2D > 3D WEEB 4 LIFE]

Originally posted by Fenris:

yeah, i just want a Cool Weapon nothing more, no weapon should be useless besides the Starting level weapons

Good news; none of them are!

[Fenris]

Originally posted by Arani:

Originally posted by Fenris:

i dont get why people Care about Balance in a PVE game?

If this is true then there's no point in discussing this further. The reasons for why balance matters and is one of the central focus points of all game development - not just coop but single player too -, is so completely self-evident that if you don't get it by now, nothing we say here will change that.

i just dont see the Problem, before the nerf both chain and Power was fine, you could use Both Weapons Sure Power weapons where the most OP But Who cares? chain weapons where Totaly fine, and could be used just as good, it is just that People became Meta Players instead of play what is cool and fun. i Hate meta Play that is why i hate Balance, balance just Creates a Meta, Lore friendly just Crates cool stories without making one thing useless, unless its useless in the lore like a shovel or a Knife, but that is why you level up to get better weapons. at some Point Gear gets Obsolete

[Who trains thy hands for war?]

lmao

I always ranked Eviscerator S tier above Power Sword, but now it's funny that people are now envying the chain weapons. It used to be the other way around

Well, I never liked the Power Sword, so perhaps you have a point OP. However, it may be fun when slotted into a variant of my current Vet build, that is run and gun laser with melee buffs and Voice of Command stagger

It will play much like a melee Psyker except possibly better

[Fenris]

Originally posted by Who trains thy hands for war?:

lmao

I always ranked Eviscerator S tier above Power Sword, but now it's funny that people are now envying the chain weapons. It used to be the other way around

Well, I never liked the Power Sword, so perhaps you have a point OP. However, it may be fun when slotted into a variant of my current Vet build, that is run and gun laser with melee buffs and Voice of Command stagger

It will play much like a melee Psyker except possibly better

Eviscerator are Awsome and always where also lorewise, i remember in the Tabletop game they where so good you could Cut Terminator Space Marines with it, and i am Also on the side of Chain weapons most of the time, i just want to change things up a bit, and normaly chain and Power weapons are not to different, on most other games Chainweapons deals more Damage against light to medium and have more Attacks that makes them better against Hordes and Power are Elite killers.

[Chadwick Strongpants]

Originally posted by Fenris:

i dont get why people Care about Balance in a PVE game?

Okay. Imagine for a moment that the devs gave each player a big red button in a box that, upon activation, instantly wins the game for them. No strings attached, no downsides, you just pop it at the start of a mission and immediately are rewarded with a victory and the maximum rewards. Fun, right? Until you actually want to play the game and some chucklehead activates the thing every mission, robbing you of a good time. You'd never be able to actually play the game and even if you did, you'd still be on edge because some troll might just push it halfway through the mission.

I can also guarantee that there'd be a small subset of people claiming that it's "fair and balanced", and that balance is overrated.

[Who trains thy hands for war?]

btw Vet can melee very well; I always solod with Catachan Mark IV sword, you got to learn block canceling to pick your moves, good sprint sliding, good perks and blessings, etc

My run and gun melee which I've admittedly only played a few times on Damnation so far (forgot patch was Tuesday lol and have a job), uses Catachan Mark IV sword, Recon laser, and Krak grenades

Krak can one shot Damnation Crushers