Mods ARE cheats

[Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am]

Look for all that autoclick, auto heavy attack release (with fastest possible speed).
Look at item markerers at long distance.
Look at health bars over enemies.
Even numeric UI so-called quality of life in fact gives so much more info about team, yourself and battlefield, so it is actually advantage obtained over 3rd party development.

Remove all mods OR make features of these mods allowed in game directly.

[Digman]

Well yeah autoclick, auto heavy attack release seems cheaty, but rest is just fine.

[Steinar]

Originally posted by VyleKillius:

Works both ways.

That's not how it works. Just because you can name mods that don't give combat advantages it doesn't change the fact that there exist mods that give combat advantages.

Healthbars on enemies
Debuff Indicators on enemies.
Crosshair replacementrs.

All of these add combat advantages. Especially Healthbars that show up clearly in the dark, fog, and through fires -- even when you don't see the enemy itself -- and quickly lets you see if any enemies survived an explosion or a heavy attack after being knocked over instead of waiting to see if they try to stand up.

But, Fatshark allows them, so.. Kinda sucks for players who don't enjoy the added visual clutter.

[Dr.Shwarc]

Originally posted by Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am:

Look for all that autoclick, auto heavy attack release (with fastest possible speed).

Why care in not-competitive coop? Won't even notice in your party unless directly told about.

Originally posted by Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am:

Look at item markerers at long distance.

QoL. Should have been in the game from the start, but Faildsharks are Failedsharks.

Originally posted by Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am:

Look at health bars over enemies.

Kinda yes, but still not competitive coop.

Originally posted by Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am:

Even numeric UI so-called quality of life in fact gives so much more info about team, yourself and battlefield, so it is actually advantage obtained over 3rd party development.

Gives solid proofs that your team sucks and you're the best guy who's soloing them through the map. Scoreboard is a must have.

Originally posted by Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am:

Remove all mods OR make features of these mods allowed in game directly.

Was in V2, but Failedsharks are Failedsharks. Game has so many critical flows that mods are not noticeable behind them

[Buff Engineer]

Information is not cheats. The ability to teleport, insta kill hordes, invisible, unlimited mag dump is cheats.

[Muscarine]

Originally posted by Buff Engineer:

Information is not cheats. The ability to teleport, insta kill hordes, invisible, unlimited mag dump is cheats.

Even some "information" mods cross the line, the health bar mod for example gives away enemy positions in a much clearer manner than without it, especially when obstructed

I think it's fine that Fatshark doesn't act on it, but it's still up to people not to lie to themselves and accept the fact that they're indeed playing with cheats

And then there are some mods like additional character slots that you absolutely should stay away from, because there is no telling what kind of damage it'd do to you entire account if it becomes forbidden or stops working altogether

[Brother Bigot]

Originally posted by Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am:

Look for all that autoclick, auto heavy attack release (with fastest possible speed).
Look at item markerers at long distance.
Look at health bars over enemies.
Even numeric UI so-called quality of life in fact gives so much more info about team, yourself and battlefield, so it is actually advantage obtained over 3rd party development.

Remove all mods OR make features of these mods allowed in game directly.

Thread should be titled
Mods that are cheats

[Dragon]

I think specifically calling them cheats is a misnomer.

Do mods give an advantage to the person using them - sometimes, dependent on the mod, yes.

The other question is why does it matter? You aren't competing with your team. In the end as long as you make it to the end its a win. It's a cooperative PvE game.

[VyleKillius]

Originally posted by Steinar:

Originally posted by VyleKillius:

Works both ways.

That's not how it works. Just because you can name mods that don't give combat advantages it doesn't change the fact that there exist mods that give combat advantages.

Never once said or even implied advantage-inducing mods don't exist. Simply stated a fact that counter's the ridiculous thread name, so it really does work both ways.

[Steinar]

Originally posted by Dr.Shwarc:

Why care in not-competitive coop?

Do you think it's ok if someone uses an aimbot to assist in deleting specialists with a Kantrael XII, since it's just coop?

[razoleg (The Cunning Fox)]

Agree. Anyone using mods should be either banned from the game until they uninstall them, or get a VAC ban.

Originally posted by Buff Engineer:

Information is not cheats. The ability to teleport, insta kill hordes, invisible, unlimited mag dump is cheats.

Information is cheats. Beaing able to tell where the enemy is is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wallhack, wallhack is a cheat. Literally half the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cheats are based on giving people more information.

Originally posted by Dr.Shwarc:

Originally posted by Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am:

Look for all that autoclick, auto heavy attack release (with fastest possible speed).

Why care in not-competitive coop? Won't even notice in your party unless directly told about.

Cause it's MP you numbnut. Any MP game that allows cheats should be treated as trash.

Originally posted by Dr.Shwarc:

Gives solid proofs that your team sucks and you're the best guy who's soloing them through the map. Scoreboard is a must have.

Gives solid proof you hev no idea that cheats aren't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ allowed in MP, whether it's "competitive" or not.


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Any clowns posting stupid ♥♥♥♥ like "huurr durr not a competitive coop" that are using tons of mods should be banned from community and given a VAC ban.

[Salty Slothy]

Originally posted by razoleg (The Cunning Fox):

Agree. Anyone using mods should be either banned from the game until they uninstall them, or get a VAC ban.

Originally posted by Buff Engineer:

Information is not cheats. The ability to teleport, insta kill hordes, invisible, unlimited mag dump is cheats.

Information is cheats. Beaing able to tell where the enemy is is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wallhack, wallhack is a cheat. Literally half the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cheats are based on giving people more information.

Originally posted by Dr.Shwarc:

Why care in not-competitive coop? Won't even notice in your party unless directly told about.

Cause it's MP you numbnut. Any MP game that allows cheats should be treated as trash.

A health bar over an enemy isn't cheating though. Not all information is a cheat. A mod that actually explained what these arbitrary numbers did would not be cheating. Wallhacks are a cheat, and you clearly picked the only information based cheat you knew because you don't have an argument.

[razoleg (The Cunning Fox)]

Originally posted by Salty Slothy:

Originally posted by razoleg (The Cunning Fox):

Agree. Anyone using mods should be either banned from the game until they uninstall them, or get a VAC ban.



Information is cheats. Beaing able to tell where the enemy is is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wallhack, wallhack is a cheat. Literally half the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cheats are based on giving people more information.



Cause it's MP you numbnut. Any MP game that allows cheats should be treated as trash.

A health bar over an enemy isn't cheating though. Not all information is a cheat. A mod that actually explained what these arbitrary numbers did would not be cheating. Wallhacks are a cheat, and you clearly picked the only information based cheat you knew because you don't have an argument.

All extra info is cheating. Health bar is cheating. It makes you prioritise targets, therefore you get better score focusing on weaker targets and stealing kills. Therefore you leave other players out of gaining XP. I have an argument and you can't fathom the worth of information, or the fact that I gave an obvious example to illustrate the point more clearly. Seethe.

Also telling players which room has grims or scripts is cheating, because it saves time and discourages good teamplay, as the team should stay together looking for these things, as opposed to have one guy wonder off looking forr these things. It saves time and therfore people with info cheats earn levels and other rewards faster than others.

[Salty Slothy]

Originally posted by razoleg (The Cunning Fox):

Originally posted by Salty Slothy:

A health bar over an enemy isn't cheating though. Not all information is a cheat. A mod that actually explained what these arbitrary numbers did would not be cheating. Wallhacks are a cheat, and you clearly picked the only information based cheat you knew because you don't have an argument.

All extra info is cheating. Health bar is cheating. It makes you prioritise targets, therefore you get better score focusing on weaker targets and stealing kills. Therefore you leave other players out of gaining XP.

What? What mental acrobatics is that? You think people will actually just laser focus onto whichever one is weaker? That's retarded. Also, they should be focusing their class's specific enemies anyways. That's also not how the XP works. So no, you don't have a point, you're just react posting and you're seething yourself because you are WRONG.

[Slymoon]

Originally posted by Buff Engineer:

Information is not cheats. The ability to teleport, insta kill hordes, invisible, unlimited mag dump is cheats.

/em looks around at the world today and how 'information' is manipulated to cheat...

yeah...

[Mephistopheles]

Originally posted by Steinar:

Healthbars on enemies
Debuff Indicators on enemies.
Crosshair replacementrs.

All of these add combat advantages. Especially Healthbars that show up clearly in the dark, fog, and through fires -- even when you don't see the enemy itself -- and quickly lets you see if any enemies survived an explosion or a heavy attack after being knocked over instead of waiting to see if they try to stand up.

But, Fatshark allows them, so.. Kinda sucks for players who don't enjoy the added visual clutter.

Hard facts. Really wish there was solo mode so I didn't have to play with cheaters.