Heavy Eviscerator is overpowered

[Snobby Hobo]

Going over all the Zealot weapons there's usually some kind of balance to each one, with clear weaknesses but trade-offs. But for the Heavy Eviscerator I really can't find any.

For some reason its mobility is good. Compare it to e.g. the Hammers which take a big hit in terms of mobility when equipped. It has an answer for every single unit: does well against everything ranging from Carapace to Monstrosities. You can cancel in and out of the special activation and can move during the sawing so you're hardly ever in any real danger using it. Weapon deals insano-style damage with every attack. Massive range. Instant-kills several fodder units every swing and sends the remainders flying (similar to the Hammer). 0 effort required to clear a swarm, just spam the heavy. 1 hits Flak armored shooters with a light attack. 1 hits several specialists with a charged attack, including both flamers, the trapper and the bomber. 2 hits everything else with heavies, including the muties. All of these can be 1 shot using the special.

It's currently grossly overshadowed by how broken Psyker is (Voidstrike, Smite and Assail), but the Eviscerator feels like the clear top dog in terms of Zealot weapons at the moment, and it's not close.

[Germaine's Bra]

It's been like this since before the patch that it could one shot all specials and elites with the bleed blessing.....

I can one shot a mutie with a Heavy Sword and a headshot... Crusher is the one that some weapons have a harder time with the slug shotgun takes care of that.

[insufferable-child]

if you think the heavy evi is op then i wont tell you otherwise because i dont want my faves nerfed lmfao

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by insufferable-child:

if you think the heavy evi is op then i wont tell you otherwise because i dont want my faves nerfed lmfao

It's a real fun weapon, but I dislike the idea of there not being an even playing field. At the moment it just doesn't do anything poorly, and it's the only (non Ogryn) melee weapon of which I can confidently state that.

[Shining_Darkness]

It has the mobility stat, hammers don't. There you go. Next question. It recently got buffed, not ♥♥♥♥ off and stop requesting nerfs to things that don't need it. Killing fodder in one shot is literally something every melee weapon should be able to do. next question. 2-hitting is literally describing ideal breakpoints, get used to it that is the meta. Next question.

You realize this is a horde shooter,yes? Stop asking for it to be harder. Go play auric maelstrom or something and then tell me the evicerator is too OP.

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by Shining_Darkness:

It has the mobility stat, hammers don't. There you go. Next question. It recently got buffed, not ♥♥♥♥ off and stop requesting nerfs to things that don't need it. Killing fodder in one shot is literally something every melee weapon should be able to do. next question. 2-hitting is literally describing ideal breakpoints, get used to it that is the meta. Next question.

You realize this is a horde shooter,yes? Stop asking for it to be harder. Go play auric maelstrom or something and then tell me the evicerator is too OP.

Was about time until the "omg pve game no need nurf"-crowd showed up. Take a seat right at the blocked list my friend.

[Shining_Darkness]

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

Originally posted by Shining_Darkness:

It has the mobility stat, hammers don't. There you go. Next question. It recently got buffed, not ♥♥♥♥ off and stop requesting nerfs to things that don't need it. Killing fodder in one shot is literally something every melee weapon should be able to do. next question. 2-hitting is literally describing ideal breakpoints, get used to it that is the meta. Next question.

You realize this is a horde shooter,yes? Stop asking for it to be harder. Go play auric maelstrom or something and then tell me the evicerator is too OP.

Was about time until the "omg pve game no need nurf"-crowd showed up. Take a seat right at the blocked list my friend.

What a coward, Cry more.

[Armoth]

It has one big weakness as do all chain weapons. On special, it gets stuck in hordes or any elite, special, armor. Becomes a issue when dealing with a lot of specials or armor at once as it opens you up for damage.

It's just OK at killing carapace and monstrosities. Not bad not great. Wouldn't change anything there.

I disagree with the idea it needs a nerf. It has sat in the "fun but kinda a meme" category since launch. It needs to feel like you are actually wielding a giant chainsword. It finally feels like it should, a great general use weapon.

In terms of it being a top dog, it's certainly up there. But I still take other weapons over it and dont feel handicapped: TH for boss damage or single target, knife for...well everything cause it's also incredibly strong etc etc. I could go on and on about zealot. He has a great spread of weapons. All feel like they have their place and most are finally worth using (looking at you devils claw).

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by Armoth:

It has one big weakness as do all chain weapons. On special, it gets stuck in hordes or any elite, special, armor. Becomes a issue when dealing with a lot of specials or armor at once as it opens you up for damage.

It's just OK at killing carapace and monstrosities. Not bad not great. Wouldn't change anything there.

I disagree with the idea it needs a nerf. It has sat in the "fun but kinda a meme" category since launch. It needs to feel like you are actually wielding a giant chainsword. It finally feels like it should, a great general use weapon.

In terms of it being a top dog, it's certainly up there. But I still take other weapons over it and dont feel handicapped: TH for boss damage or single target, knife for...well everything cause it's also incredibly strong etc etc. I could go on and on about zealot. He has a great spread of weapons. All feel like they have their place and most are finally worth using (looking at you devils claw).

With the 8 (I think it's 8?) bleed stacks blessing it performs better than almost all weapons against Monstrosities. Really other than the Hammer and Knife I can't think of anything that reliably kills them faster.

I found the camera-hooking to not last long enough to cause much harm to me (unlike the axe, which constantly nets me damage), but it's indeed of course at least a partial downside.

I just don't get where its supposed weakness lie. If the camera-hook is the only thing keeping it in check I don't think I'm wrong calling it overpowered.

[Germaine's Bra]

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

Originally posted by Armoth:

It has one big weakness as do all chain weapons. On special, it gets stuck in hordes or any elite, special, armor. Becomes a issue when dealing with a lot of specials or armor at once as it opens you up for damage.

It's just OK at killing carapace and monstrosities. Not bad not great. Wouldn't change anything there.

I disagree with the idea it needs a nerf. It has sat in the "fun but kinda a meme" category since launch. It needs to feel like you are actually wielding a giant chainsword. It finally feels like it should, a great general use weapon.

In terms of it being a top dog, it's certainly up there. But I still take other weapons over it and dont feel handicapped: TH for boss damage or single target, knife for...well everything cause it's also incredibly strong etc etc. I could go on and on about zealot. He has a great spread of weapons. All feel like they have their place and most are finally worth using (looking at you devils claw).

With the 8 (I think it's 8?) bleed stacks blessing it performs better than almost all weapons against Monstrosities. Really other than the Hammer and Knife I can't think of anything that reliably kills them faster.

I found the camera-hooking to not last long enough to cause much harm to me (unlike the axe, which constantly nets me damage), but it's indeed of course at least a partial downside.

I just don't get where its supposed weakness lie. If the camera-hook is the only thing keeping it in check I don't think I'm wrong calling it overpowered.

It's 6 for Bloodletter 4

Knife Flesh tearer is 8

Flechette for Shotguns are 6 (shorties) or 8 (For Orgyn)

Chainsword is 14, and Chain ax is 16? Those two might be off I don't have those blessings.

[PK_Thunder]

Our melee weapons are supposed to be good, because we have the worst selection of range options of any class.

[insufferable-child]

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

Originally posted by insufferable-child:

if you think the heavy evi is op then i wont tell you otherwise because i dont want my faves nerfed lmfao

It's a real fun weapon, but I dislike the idea of there not being an even playing field. At the moment it just doesn't do anything poorly, and it's the only (non Ogryn) melee weapon of which I can confidently state that.

its pretty slow and doesnt hit hard enough to make up for it, so while it chews lower difficulty heavies its actually pretty mid compared to other options for e.g. damnation crushers and monstros, etc

[LinkZeppeloyd]

I like it a lot but I disagree about it being the best Zealot weapon. That would be the heavy sword.

[PK_Thunder]

Originally posted by LinkZeppeloyd:

I like it a lot but I disagree about it being the best Zealot weapon. That would be the heavy sword.

Gotta go with knife for me.

[Boss]

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

Originally posted by insufferable-child:

if you think the heavy evi is op then i wont tell you otherwise because i dont want my faves nerfed lmfao

It's a real fun weapon, but I dislike the idea of there not being an even playing field. At the moment it just doesn't do anything poorly, and it's the only (non Ogryn) melee weapon of which I can confidently state that.

You're just not experienced it sounds like if you think the Heavy Evi is the best Zealot weapon.

Combat knife with shroudfield makes you into a walking solo god. It does insane damage for the speed its attacks come out, and you can move so fast you can out pace bosses, the demon host, and literally everything that tries to take a swing at you. It's mobility is out of this world and its actual DPS is insanely high because there is ZERO downtime with how quickly you get the enemies.

The Ironhammer can one shot every boss on Damnation. The fact it can do this means it's in a great place regardless of shortcoming. The heavy evi cannot do this.

Someone already mentioned the heavy sword.

It just genuinely sounds like you found a weapon you like, think it's really great, but haven't actually tried many zealot builds or are very experienced.

[LinkZeppeloyd]

Originally posted by PK_Thunder:

Originally posted by LinkZeppeloyd:

I like it a lot but I disagree about it being the best Zealot weapon. That would be the heavy sword.

Gotta go with knife for me.

The reason i give the HS the edge is that lately it feels like lots of people aren’t doing any horde clear, which the HS deals with very, very rapidly.