Veteran class update - instant reload?

[Topsy Kretts]

Trying to figure out what to do with veteran after all levels bonuses are changed. Seems like everything I had is gone, reduced ammo, reduced grenades and more.

The thing I miss the most is the special ability that instantly reloads the weapon and instantly switches to it. Now I can get a special ability to instantly switch to it, but not reloading, making it useless unless I have prepared for it. And I used this ability for cases I was not prepared.

Any way to get the instant reload back? Boltgun is so slow to reload, special ability bonus is lost before reload finishes otherwise.

[fruit flavored ENERGY DRINK]

the only thing you lost is the instant reload. that's ogryn's gimmick now, learn to adapt

you can still take the 25% ammo + confirmed kill and be practically the same as the old veteran except without the braindead get out of jail free card

[Pride Lizard Pride Lizard]

You've still got plenty of ways of speeding up reloads on guns anyway. The "Reload with ammo in mag for reload speed", "Killing specials/elites gives reload speed", you can easily fit talents for regenerating grenades into just about every build. It ain't a *huge* loss. Having to actually plan around reloads of slow-loading weapons is probably a good thing.

[Topsy Kretts]

Originally posted by fruit flavored ENERGY DRINK:

the only thing you lost is the instant reload. that's ogryn's gimmick now, learn to adapt

you can still take the 25% ammo + confirmed kill and be practically the same as the old veteran except without the braindead get out of jail free card

Instant reload was the essence of my setup - 30 boltgun shots in a row.

[Germaine's Bra]

It going to be reworked some more, https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/provisional-patch-14-notes-part-1/84501 They already noted there are issues.

[Arani]

Originally posted by Topsy Kretts:

Trying to figure out what to do with veteran after all levels bonuses are changed. Seems like everything I had is gone, reduced ammo, reduced grenades and more.

The thing I miss the most is the special ability that instantly reloads the weapon and instantly switches to it. Now I can get a special ability to instantly switch to it, but not reloading, making it useless unless I have prepared for it. And I used this ability for cases I was not prepared.

Any way to get the instant reload back? Boltgun is so slow to reload, special ability bonus is lost before reload finishes otherwise.

Many of the classes essentially changed in this patch, and for every single one of them there are new kinds of builds available. Boltguns were nerfed (for a reason) but still remain strong. That instant reload was also removed. Much like psykers' BB was nerfed, many of their old talents that supported BB were nerfed, and the previous Warp Charge system was reworked to something that can no longer be relied upon in the same way.

On the other hand, for psykers this means you no longer need to constantly keep popping BB when just to upkeep the charges which honestly is well worth the trade in and of itself. Meanwhile veterans gained a whole ton of buffs too. They've never had something as powerful and ammo efficient as crit & rending Recon builds are now, nor infinite ammo Helbore III builds, not to mention the ability they now have to combine stuff like stealth or AoE knockback & toughness regen with insane melee power while still having vet weapons like the Helbore III, Plasma, and others.

But to stick to the point, Boltgun as a whole works differently now. You need to actually manage your magazine usage and remember to keep it loaded. While it lost the massive buffs from Pinning Fire and the ability to magdump 3-4 crushers down with that instant reload, it also gained huge utility from Surgical with a very fast stack time. So you can now snipe those same crushers or anything else more efficiently than ever before, and if you don't have the time you can just lob a Krak nade or 2 and that will be that. Ideally you'll combine the two so your Krak can kill 2-3 biggest threats while you can calmly slide back and snipe down the remainders, and take down as many crushers as before but with a fraction of the ammo.

As a whole, the biggest thing the patch did for vets was removing their insane passives, forcing the vet players to earn their success through the same manner of skill and choices with consequences as everyone else. For me at least, that made playing them much more interesting than before.

[BÆRD]

Originally posted by Topsy Kretts:

Originally posted by fruit flavored ENERGY DRINK:

the only thing you lost is the instant reload. that's ogryn's gimmick now, learn to adapt

you can still take the 25% ammo + confirmed kill and be practically the same as the old veteran except without the braindead get out of jail free card

Instant reload was the essence of my setup - 30 boltgun shots in a row.

and no longer is. Adapt. Also I wouldn't stress. More vet changes coming in few weeks time. The console certification process resulted in the PC also being given the old game build with an unfinished vet skill tree.

[BbNaB]

Same, I had a Veteran build centered around automatically reloading Boltgun ammo but I guess nevermind! I'll just never use Boltguns again.

[LinkZeppeloyd]

Originally posted by fruit flavored ENERGY DRINK:

the only thing you lost is the instant reload. that's ogryn's gimmick now, learn to adapt

you can still take the 25% ammo + confirmed kill and be practically the same as the old veteran except without the braindead get out of jail free card

Uh, yeah no. They also lost the 75% toughness damage reduction during their ult. You know, the thing that made them unstoppable terminators.

[fruit flavored ENERGY DRINK]

Originally posted by LinkZeppeloyd:

Originally posted by fruit flavored ENERGY DRINK:

the only thing you lost is the instant reload. that's ogryn's gimmick now, learn to adapt

you can still take the 25% ammo + confirmed kill and be practically the same as the old veteran except without the braindead get out of jail free card

Uh, yeah no. They also lost the 75% toughness damage reduction during their ult. You know, the thing that made them unstoppable terminators.

oh yeah that... didn't even notice. good riddance. you can still take confirmed kill in every build so you're potentially still an unstoppable terminator