Lore Accurate Power and chain weapons

[Fenris]

this that you have to press a Button to activate a Power or chain Weapon is not very good for gameplay and makes lore wise no sense, Normaly at the beginning of a Battle they Activate the weapon and when it is not in Use they deactivate it, Balance wise there should be no Problem, Because there is no Cooldown anyway, or make it atleast that you dont have to activate it every 3 seconds let it run for a minute or two

[Auftragsmoerder]

They feel the need to balance power and chain weapons with all those second millenium weapons for no reason tham balances sake. Of course immersion and lore accuracy suffer under those circumstances.

Not the only lore problems of the game. I, for my part, still wish we can see an eviscerator somewhere in the future - as the game is lacking one at the moment.

[Fenris]

The Balance is Easy because the Lore Does so, Yes Knifes and so becomes Useless and Obsolete True, but they are that anyway Lorewise, Balance Wise that is your Starting Weapon for New Playes and then you get Power and chain Weapons Later on. when we Talk Elite units who we are from LvL 15+ Chainweapons and Powerweapons should be your standard. How to Balance Those, That is Easy in the Roleplaying Game Wrath and Glory Powerweapons are Better when it Comes to Heavy Armored Enemys Like lore wise, And Chainweapons Deal more Damage to Medium to Light/no armored Targets and are better against Hordes, that Could be a Super Awsome Balance Ground. as i said Balance wise there is no Problem you can just Spam the Activate button anyway without cooldown, it is just Iritating having to press Mouse 3 all the damm time. or just increase the running Time to 1 or 2 minutes. so we dont have to spam mouse 3 all the time. and as far as i know eviscerator are inside the Melee class. atleast my Friend had one if i remember it correct, i mean the Zealot

[Auftragsmoerder]

Originally posted by Fenris:

eviscerator are inside the Melee class. atleast my Friend had one

No. it is, at best, a heavy chainsword. Why anyone would call it an eviscerator is beyond me

[Bubs]

Originally posted by Auftragsmoerder:

Originally posted by Fenris:

eviscerator are inside the Melee class. atleast my Friend had one

No. it is, at best, a heavy chainsword. Why anyone would call it an eviscerator is beyond me

an evicerator is a 2 handed chainsword that, in tabletop, had stats ranging from double strength to power fist. depending on the edition.

As for activating chain weapons, if you listen they are always buzzing and working as normal, charging it is more like super charging it.

I don't understand he power weapons though. I'd agree for those, but also didn't test them much.

[Bisexual Offender]

Originally posted by Auftragsmoerder:

Originally posted by Fenris:

eviscerator are inside the Melee class. atleast my Friend had one

No. it is, at best, a heavy chainsword. Why anyone would call it an eviscerator is beyond me

Technically it`s a two-heanded chainsword, but you are right eviscerator this is not.
Also the chainsword is not a chainsword, more of a chain machete.

[Auftragsmoerder]

Originally posted by Bubs:

had stats ranging from double strength to power fist

Yes. You could go cut down tanks with that, i remind you, power weapon.

Originally posted by Bubs:

for activating chain weapons, if you listen they are always buzzing and working

Correct, too. But while they buzz, they cut as good as a wet slab of steel. Just saddening and certainly no true WH40K feel to it... Power weapons are pretty much the same in this regard.

For my immersion we are running around with the worst gear the universe has to offer - and even thinking like this chain- and power-weaponry should hit different.

[Oonkeh]

If Darktide was lore accurate then Lasguns would be punching holes through Dreg Torso's and blowing their arms off, and the Eviscerator would be ripping Ogryn Crusher's in half (they're designed to bite through Ceramite Armor). Our Kill Team would be dead 1000x over given what we're able to fight in this game.

[Bomoo]

Originally posted by Bezyn:

Originally posted by Auftragsmoerder:

No. it is, at best, a heavy chainsword. Why anyone would call it an eviscerator is beyond me

Technically it`s a two-heanded chainsword, but you are right eviscerator this is not.
Also the chainsword is not a chainsword, more of a chain machete.

chain pocket knife

[Fenris]

Originally posted by Kameleon:

If Darktide was lore accurate then Lasguns would be punching holes through Dreg Torso's and blowing their arms off, and the Eviscerator would be ripping Ogryn Crusher's in half (they're designed to bite through Ceramite Armor). Our Kill Team would be dead 1000x over given what we're able to fight in this game.

Depends on the Book, Lore is super inacurate in many things. i heard the we are just Humans, SURE we are but we are Veterans ingame, and when i am Allowed to remember you Hector Rex, Eisenhorn are Also just Humans, Psyker but Humans, we have a Psyker in the team. and Hector Rex Killed an Deamon 1 v 1 on Vraks. Then there are Lucifer Blacks and the Kasrkin, OH and dont Forget the Assassin Temples, all normal Human with Cybernetic and Extreme Training nothing fancy like Custodes or Space marines. Vindicare are even Better in shooting then Space Marines.

When it Comes to Chain Weapons, the Charge is something you can do on the Fly that should be just a heavy attack, charging is something people do on the Fly. as Discriped in the Book "Gaunts Ghost" Gaunt charges his chainsword when he Fights his Uncle in mid swing, that is why there is a chargin handle near the Grip that is something you get to very easy normaly.

Powerweapons should always be on, as statet in the Book "Dark Imperium 2" when a Custodian enters Battle he Activates his Guardianspeer and keeps it Activadet untill the end of the battle, that is something ALL do, the only Situation when you deactivate it Mid Battle is when you are in a narrow space to you dont hit your Friends OR hit an wall.

[Auftragsmoerder]

Originally posted by Fenris:

but we are Veterans ingame

I have my doubts. I think we are the most scummiest scum there is in the Imperium right above hiver scum.

[Fenris]

Originally posted by Auftragsmoerder:

Originally posted by Fenris:

but we are Veterans ingame

I have my doubts. I think we are the most scummiest scum there is in the Imperium right above hiver scum.

Nope they even Talk about it, I play as a Cadian. Cadia has there Forced Military service with round about 14 or was it 16, and you dont get Called Veteran in the Astra for nothing, normaly you survived atleast an Campaign, or Multiple Battles, the avarage livespan is round about 17 hours depending on the Battlefield. Then there is a Psyker, After he is in a Cell and not on a Blackship tells be he is a Sanctiond Psyker, that means he had Training, else you would Blow your self up or Open a Portal for Deamons. the Ogryn sure ogryns dont get mutch training but they dont Need to, atleast in Tabletop they are Stronger and Tougher then Space Marines with a worse armor save but else they are better in Close Combat. the Zealot is the only one who Normaly dont get any Training, But Depending on the Order he is part of and how good his Connection to the Emperor is he could call in the powers of the Emperor. Yeah that is a thing, Priests are able to do so, just like the Sisters of Battle. SO and normaly the Reason why there die so many people in 40k is not because they are Bad, mostly it is because they fight stronger things or there leaders sends them in to a meatgrinder, or because of lack of Gear, the reason WHY the Astra often sucks at killing Space marines is not because they are bad or, Space Marines are Stronger, sure in Close Combat with a Knife or sword there does the Power of a Space Marine Matter, but when Fighting 100 Soldiers? no the only thing that the Space Marine is still alive is because of his gear and that he is able to process information mutch mutch faster and he can come up with solutions in no time, and because most astra and Heretics have Ultra bad gear, special Weapons are super uncommon in the astra or come with there own Problems. Plasma weapons explode and Melta have to short range. so and when you have something like the Kasrkin they are able to onehit Space Marines with NO problem, they have the gear to do so. But again the Powerlever in 40k is anyway never 100% correct it changes from book to book

[Auftragsmoerder]

Pretty sure you scum. THIS close to be shot on sight as you were found.

Looking at the gear ingame leaves no other conclusion besides you scum, too.

[Fenris]

Originally posted by Auftragsmoerder:

Pretty sure you scum. THIS close to be shot on sight as you were found.

Looking at the gear ingame leaves no other conclusion besides you scum, too.

A this is a Gameplay choice. B you just came From Deathrow, ofcourse the ordo Hereticus dont gives you the best Gear they dont know you that is why the level is called TRUST level. SO and i see you dont understand the law of the Imperium and how they handle Criminals. in the Imperium you can be a Hero the one day and then the Lowest scum the next day, for stupid reasons, Depending on the Planet you are. THere was a Mother who was Turned in to a Servitor just for stealing bread for her kids. and people who got imprisond or Killed for just not Doing what was said, as soon as you become a Criminal you are scum. you could have serves in the Highest ranks of the Astra Militarum it would not matter, now you are scum and not worth it anymore, unless the Ordo Hereticus says "OH NICE i thing we can still use you" or any other ordo or high ranking people

[Auftragsmoerder]

So we agreeing in principle. Good.

[FilthyPeasant]

If we're talking lore accuracy, the fact we get access to power weapons at all is a miracle. I'm guessing they are patterns of weapon that require activation upon use every time because why are they going to give better quality pattern weapons that are priceless and rare to a bunch of expendable convicts? The better pattern power weapons that are always on would just end up forever lost if given to one of us. As for chain weapons just look at a real life chainsaw and you'll understand. It idles until you rev it and you dont have it at max rev all the time to preserve fuel because I assure you whatever your fighting isn't going to patiently wait while you get a funnel out and try to refuel your sword that goes brrrrrrrr