are shotguns useless?

[Chopped🥀🥀🥀]

im not sure if im stupid but why the ♥♥♥♥ do shotguns do 0 daamgage they take forever to reload i dont see any use in them they dont even kill good up front bolter gun is way better
crowd control is also ass too or is there a build where shotguns r good?

[General High Ping]

each shotgun has its own mechanics.
check a youtube for a rundown of how they work and how to best use them.
For example: The Agrippa has a single slug special that can one shot enemy ogryns if you have the right build.

[Chopped🥀🥀🥀]

ok maybe i just suck with them then

[Junior]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb_48nsnnZA&t=548s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9eHBMX060c

I really like the Agripinaa Mk 7 build in the 2nd video

[EarthN]

Agrippina shotgun is my favorite weapon for my preacher.

[=][=Alduran=][=]

I mostly use guns with high ammo efficiency because lag can cost you ammo. Yesterday I pretty much wasted 40% of my Bolter ammo. Scab Shooters with 300 HP on Damnation should die with one hit everytime. Yet I had to shoot 2 times on almost every Shooter I encountered. Then next game everything worked fine again.

[=][=Alduran=][=]

Originally posted by Of Iron and Gold:

Originally posted by ==Alduran==:

I mostly use guns with high ammo efficiency because lag can cost you ammo. Yesterday I pretty much wasted 40% of my Bolter ammo. Scab Shooters with 300 HP on Damnation should die with one hit everytime. Yet I had to shoot 2 times on almost every Shooter I encountered. Then next game everything worked fine again.

I recently went on the wiki to look up HP values for my Boltgun breakpoints to realize... it should always 1 shot Scab Shooters at any range with no buffs.

"What?" I thought, "No it doesn't? It always takes 2? That's why I'm here.". So I jumped into the Psykhanium, which is locally hosted and doesn't use the server, to realize that yes, it does always 1 shot Scab Shooters!

The server is just so consistently ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ garbage that I legitimately thought I wasn't doing enough damage. Now I can't unsee it... It happens constantly, more often than not.

Yep, melee is the same if you pay close attention. Use a high cleave weapon and you will see that some enemies just ignore your attack, but the one beside get hit.
Highlight yesterday a Scab Stalker survived 5 heavy enegized hits of my Powersword.

[cszolee79]

It happens when there are too many enemies around. Malice with high intensity is enough for the server connection to crap out and player actions just disappear. No damage on hit, can't reload, can"t swap weapons etc.

[Steinar]

Shotguns aren't useless. It's just that the Bolter is OP, and the wake of hi-int stg proves it better than ever before.

[Ravs]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2981211313

Shotguns are not "useless", you just need a really good roll and blessings to make them work. Preferably, ammo capacity and damage stats should be maxed out, because every shot counts.

With Agripina shotgun you need to press V to load sniper shot each time, because it helps conserve ammo and deals greater damage (so basically, you only use normal shots when you need to clear path, ALWAYS load the special bullet in every other case). Kantrael is also decent against armor, I believe my Kantrael with No Respite (4) and Full Bore (3) kills ragers with 2 bodyshots in close range.

It's not bolter or other "meta" weapons, but it's not that bad. I actually find it very satisfying to use. Lawbringer shotgun is just trash though. :/

[Chopped🥀🥀🥀]

thx guys might be use shotgun again now and be dissapointed probally

[Big frank]

Originally posted by Dr.Heintz Ketchup:

im not sure if im stupid but why the ♥♥♥♥ do shotguns do 0 daamgage they take forever to reload i dont see any use in them they dont even kill good up front bolter gun is way better crowd control is also ass too or is there a build where shotguns r good?

The trick here is to stop using the shotgun and use the bolter.

[ElviraDemonQueen]

Originally posted by Of Iron and Gold:

They're pretty bad. The best way to use them is to only shoot the special shot which requires reload micro after every shot on your part. The pay off though is worse than just using a Boltgun.

they are totaly not bad fireshotgun can easly still kill elites just easy and specials but the fire bullets really is good for a little spice up hord control its like a little back up flametrower slug shotgun is littarly a sniper in my opinion the other shotgun well its good as its wider spread special ammo and knocks everythign almost down but it deppens on your playstyle telling they are bad just means its just not your taste or ment for you as i seen people with shotgun do uttarly amazing

[Brother Bigot]

If you want useless
Use a recon las gun

[BecauseRaisins]

Yes, all 3 pump shotguns suck ass.
for best efficiency you should almost entirely be using the alternate fire modes as the slug does a massive damage boost and gives it much better penetration vs everything. The heavy shotgun provides decent damage but you should be using incendiary shots 99% of the time anyway because it has better CC

[Wyrm]

Lawbringer is bad. Agrip is good for range, while kantrael is good for croud control. You HAVE to use the special ammo secondary to make them really effective. Shotguns also suffer a lot from RNGesus's shenanigans, so you gotta make sure you have good stats on them that are good.

My current agrip has terrible damage for its regular shots, but the slug shots deal insane damage. As for my current kantrael, the regular shots are insane but the incendiary shots could definitely be better.