Stuttering fix for amd systems?

[SUPERBEAST]

Hey people. I recently stumbled into something in the interwebnets concerning amd cpus and stuttering in some games. It seems that disabling CPPC, CPPC Preferred cores, AMD Cool 'n quiet and using process lasso to set everything that is not a game to cores 0 and 1 and the game to all other cores with real time cpu priority significantly reduces stutter and increases 0.1% and 1% lows.

Any of you tried this ?

I did a basic test playing a run in darktide and it seems to help. I don't know if all these changes are needed to achieve the result I've got. I'll need to test more. Maybe only disabling cool 'n quiet + cppc do the trick.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/pbbqd0/cppc_enabled_vs_disabled/

EDIT: Oh yeah, I set power plan to high performance to disable core parking. This one is important.

[MagicHp]

What is your CPU?
If I'm not wrong, there is no CPPC on 7000 series AMD processors, there are CCDs (CDDs? Can't remember ^^ )

No "cool n' quiet" here either, but I guess that is some kind of "eco mode" or something that reduces fan noise and cpu heat by applying some auto undervolting/underclocking . Makes sense to disable it.

This games hates auto Overclock/UnderVolt ;) Redoing my settings by hand stopped all crashes (one crash in 10 days) and improved performance, especially the low % part. We're talking never under 75 fps in 2K full RT (7950x + 7900xtx) .

Honestly, don't bother with this procedure until thoroughly confirmed and studied. But disabling eco modes, activating high power etc can only improve your experience.

[SUPERBEAST]

Originally posted by MagicHp:

What is your CPU?
If I'm not wrong, there is no CPPC on 7000 series AMD processors, there are CCDs (CDDs? Can't remember ^^ )

No "cool n' quiet" here either, but I guess that is some kind of "eco mode" or something that reduces fan noise and cpu heat by applying some auto undervolting/underclocking . Makes sense to disable it.

This games hates auto Overclock/UnderVolt ;) Redoing my settings by hand stopped all crashes (one crash in 10 days) and improved performance, especially the low % part. We're talking never under 75 fps in 2K full RT (7950x + 7900xtx) .

Honestly, don't bother with this procedure until thoroughly confirmed and studied. But disabling eco modes, activating high power etc can only improve your experience.

CPPC is a setting in the bios. I use a 5700x + 6800xt. I'll do more tests later to isolate what really makes a difference. I also disabled windows game mode and game bar. Many changes heh... In the end it seemed to help. Its not like the game was unplayable before all these changes, but the ocasional stutter is a little annoying.

[MagicHp]

Originally posted by SigmaPunk:

CPPC is a setting in the bios. I use a 5700x + 6800xt. I'll do more tests later to isolate what really makes a difference. I also disabled windows game mode and game bar. Many changes heh... In the end it seemed to help. Its not like the game was unplayable before all these changes, but the ocasional stutter is a little annoying.

I can't check right now, but I guess CPPCs are much or less the same as CCDs, basically the different "cores" on your cpu (to make it as simple as possible ^^ )

I don't want to sound rude or anything, but your computer doesn't seem very well tuned, at least not in a gaming way. High power mode for CPU and GPU are a given, running Windows Pro for the extra control on the OS, ditching every Windows mode/Xbox bar / random Ram saving app / and bloatware (Dual Intelligent Processors for Asus etc ) as soon as possible, testing and retesting your Ram, overclock settings etc...

Gaming nowadays in the best conditions does require some extra work to be done on dedicated hardware and software, the power requirements have changed drastically those 5 past years and one might argue that games and engines aren't as polished as they had been.
Sadly, that does mean that maintaining our systems in top condition is a requirement to get the best out of it.

To sum it up, there is never a simple magic solution ^^ There is a time consuming one that might yield average to amazing improvements depending on several factors...

[Slutski]

I commented on another thread about the recent patch and how it affected the performance for my system and other people. After enabling SAM (as many recommended) my fps went from 40-100+ to 20-40. I don't get it, it was way better before and other games run fine. 6700 XT + i5 10400 btw.

Regarding the Windows trash, I'm using the torn-apart version of 11 with (almost) everything M$ related being removed from the memory, even Edge.

[Lord Thimbletwip]

Originally posted by Slutski:

I commented on another thread about the recent patch and how it affected the performance for my system and other people. After enabling SAM (as many recommended) my fps went from 40-100+ to 20-40. I don't get it, it was way better before and other games run fine. 6700 XT + i5 10400 btw.

Regarding the Windows trash, I'm using the torn-apart version of 11 with (almost) everything M$ related being removed from the memory, even Edge.

Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus did testing with SAM and it only boosts performance on very specific games; I don't play much of any of the games they list, and actually receive worse performance on games that I would play with it. Yes, SAM reduces performance on many games. No reason for people to use SAM unless it's already been tested to improve frames in very specific games.

[Fingeris]

Stuttering fix for amd systems is called Nvidia

[Slutski]

Originally posted by Lord Thimbletwip:

Originally posted by Slutski:

I commented on another thread about the recent patch and how it affected the performance for my system and other people. After enabling SAM (as many recommended) my fps went from 40-100+ to 20-40. I don't get it, it was way better before and other games run fine. 6700 XT + i5 10400 btw.

Regarding the Windows trash, I'm using the torn-apart version of 11 with (almost) everything M$ related being removed from the memory, even Edge.

Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus did testing with SAM and it only boosts performance on very specific games; I don't play much of any of the games they list, and actually receive worse performance on games that I would play with it. Yes, SAM reduces performance on many games. No reason for people to use SAM unless it's already been tested to improve frames in very specific games.

Ye, it sounds like an аss. Either way, going in-out in BIOS just to get extra frames in very specific set of games is top-tier management.

[m99noble]

Are yall sure the stuttering yall exp is not server lag?

[IIFriggII]

Originally posted by m99noble:

Are yall sure the stuttering yall exp is not server lag?

yer it's a big diff;
server lag will make everything server, such as enemies and effects on such, not care about you; they will just run through stuff etc.
stuttering refers to when the screen just freeze's for x time with x timeframe in between.


for me it's
intel core, nvidia graph
got high stuttering; it started before the map patch but wasn't bad, then became bad after the map patch;
it's unenjoyably bad now ^^
server issues themselves haven't been good either but in no way bad enough to compare to the stutter every game

[SUPERBEAST]

Originally posted by Fingeris:

Stuttering fix for amd systems is called Nvidia :lunar2019piginablanket:

Nvidia trolling is not welcome here. Sorry.

Originally posted by Slutski:

I commented on another thread about the recent patch and how it affected the performance for my system and other people. After enabling SAM (as many recommended) my fps went from 40-100+ to 20-40. I don't get it, it was way better before and other games run fine. 6700 XT + i5 10400 btw.

Regarding the Windows trash, I'm using the torn-apart version of 11 with (almost) everything M$ related being removed from the memory, even Edge.

Originally posted by Slutski:

Originally posted by Lord Thimbletwip:

Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus did testing with SAM and it only boosts performance on very specific games; I don't play much of any of the games they list, and actually receive worse performance on games that I would play with it. Yes, SAM reduces performance on many games. No reason for people to use SAM unless it's already been tested to improve frames in very specific games.

Ye, it sounds like an аss. Either way, going in-out in BIOS just to get extra frames in very specific set of games is top-tier management.

I guess you can disable SAM through adrenalin software.

Originally posted by MagicHp:

Originally posted by SigmaPunk:

CPPC is a setting in the bios. I use a 5700x + 6800xt. I'll do more tests later to isolate what really makes a difference. I also disabled windows game mode and game bar. Many changes heh... In the end it seemed to help. Its not like the game was unplayable before all these changes, but the ocasional stutter is a little annoying.

I can't check right now, but I guess CPPCs are much or less the same as CCDs, basically the different "cores" on your cpu (to make it as simple as possible ^^ )

I don't want to sound rude or anything, but your computer doesn't seem very well tuned, at least not in a gaming way. High power mode for CPU and GPU are a given, running Windows Pro for the extra control on the OS, ditching every Windows mode/Xbox bar / random Ram saving app / and bloatware (Dual Intelligent Processors for Asus etc ) as soon as possible, testing and retesting your Ram, overclock settings etc...

Gaming nowadays in the best conditions does require some extra work to be done on dedicated hardware and software, the power requirements have changed drastically those 5 past years and one might argue that games and engines aren't as polished as they had been.
Sadly, that does mean that maintaining our systems in top condition is a requirement to get the best out of it.

To sum it up, there is never a simple magic solution ^^ There is a time consuming one that might yield average to amazing improvements depending on several factors...

Maybe. I did spend a good amount of time tuning my cpu. Its with a per core CO undervolt and +200 mhz OC. I did tests under high and low loads and it seems stable. Same with gpu. Many tests with an OC and a not too aggressive undervolt.

The stutter I see sometimes is not so bad as other people in here in the forum, i think. I just wanted to share this info with you guys and maybe help whoever may be getting worse performance with the game. I see many complaints about this here, no matter the brand of the components. Since I have amd parts, I can only give suggestions about AMD.

I also messed with ram tuning a lot and got tired of it and just bought a ram kit that had the performance I wanted from the factory. Not worth the struggle imo.

[Munchies]

Hmmm let me seee ... thinker with bios settings to get few more frames per second in a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ optimised game ... ?

Naaah

[Auzi]

Not trying to hijack this thread but im on a 4090/13900k and get pretty bad stuttering sometimes, especially in the UI. Ingame ping is about 50ms in all games. All RT disabled too.
what im trying to say is this game has some big performance issues still, even on the best hardware I can't get consistent frametime even limiting to 90fps or below at 1440p.
even on lowest settings it still stutters and lags at specific times.

[Rhila]

Originally posted by Fingeris:

Stuttering fix for amd systems is called Nvidia :lunar2019piginablanket:

i am with AMD 6800 XT zero stuttering, he/she is talking about CPU not GPU.

[MagicHp]

Yeah, follow the same post each time, you know, the one saying "maybe you should check your settings" ^^

No, you are all right, let's have three pages of "duh, fine here" before actually trying to tackle the issue... Jokes, all of you ^^

[Sunderbraze]

Originally posted by Auzi:

Not trying to hijack this thread but im on a 4090/13900k and get pretty bad stuttering sometimes, especially in the UI. Ingame ping is about 50ms in all games. All RT disabled too.
what im trying to say is this game has some big performance issues still, even on the best hardware I can't get consistent frametime even limiting to 90fps or below at 1440p.
even on lowest settings it still stutters and lags at specific times.

Very weird. RTX 4090/Ryzen 9 7950X3D and I haven't had any stuttering. I haven't done framerate tests on a longer scale but visually I haven't noticed it drop below 60 while running 4K@144Hz. I'll sometimes get a pause right when a horde spawns, but I can't honestly tell if that's graphic or network related.