Illisi or Deimos Force Sword?

[robert.s_a]

Psyker always struck me as something that appreciates a crowd control weapon more than a elite killer, so I've been using Illisi a great deal.

It works great, but I've also been hearing a lot of talk about how amazing the Deimos is, how its just as good at killing hordes and can do the same to elites as well. Giving it a few tests in the training room, it seems nice enough, but I can't tell what makes it so good against hordes.

Anyone got any opinions? I've also been meaning to ask if the Illisi special attack is worth using. While it certainly kills things, it seems inefficient to take a moment to charge up instead of just spamming more attacks.

[varicose 'vascular' vinny]

Deimos has fast attacks, so its actually pretty good at keeping Slaughterer up (it's only 2s on force swords). This gives it decent horde clear just mashing M1. Illisi power up sweep is more of an opening attack than power sword rip off, it has much better unpowered attacks. You really do get by just fine using them sparingly.

[Grr. [SG CMD] Majah Lazah]

Originally posted by robert.s_a:

Psyker always struck me as something that appreciates a crowd control weapon more than a elite killer, so I've been using Illisi a great deal.

It works great, but I've also been hearing a lot of talk about how amazing the Deimos is, how its just as good at killing hordes and can do the same to elites as well. Giving it a few tests in the training room, it seems nice enough, but I can't tell what makes it so good against hordes.

Anyone got any opinions? I've also been meaning to ask if the Illisi special attack is worth using. While it certainly kills things, it seems inefficient to take a moment to charge up instead of just spamming more attacks.

Deimos "2000 dps" (perk/feat build bla bla), and it does so efficiently on a weapon with infinite dodge and the ability to pull Deflector on demand. Not that hard to figure out why it's hella popular.

The Illisi lets you be a cosplay commissar, especially if you put on the Beta helmet and use the german accent to say Vet lines. The Illisi does awesome cleave which lets you use a gun for single targets, except you have a brain burst for that, but hey, you do you.

[Pride Lizard Pride Lizard]

I am here to spread Deimos force sword propaganda. I am here to spread Deimos propaganda. I am here to spread dei-
(I like the Deimos Force sword a lot. It's good! I don't think it's amazing against hordes but the damage feels higher than the standard one, so it handles it a bit better.)

[DLCI]

i really wanted to like the MK IV deimos sword but the illsi force sword is just better

plus the illsi sword's activated effect not trapping you in a weapon animation is huge, might be the overall best thing about it

same bonus damage vs. hard targets with none of the risk

would you say that powersword's activated effect is "inefficient" compared to just spamming more attacks? lol

[varicose 'vascular' vinny]

Well there's your problem, powering up the Deimos is a complete waste of time and total DPS sink beyond a H2 to 1 enemy type (Crusher) who we have ways of applying Brittleness to whack even harder. Not that a ~550 damage headshot isn't already insane in the scheme of the game.

3k mutant damage in 2 hits, 4k if you headshot. 1 shot flak ragers no investment. You're the one sleeping bro. Stop using the dumb force sword brain with this weapon, never power up Deimos.

[DLCI]

one thing has nothing to do with the other

illsi is a versatile weapon with strong attack-chains and good cleave that can still bring down hard targets without having to switch weapons

deimos is not bad but is still overall worse because it has an inferior attack sequence and provides functionality that is superfluous

looking only at crit/weakspot damage or dodge bonuses misses the basics of what makes a weapon good or bad, and that's the attacks themselves

[Ishan451]

Dunno, i tried all 3 and i still like the Classic Obscurus the best. I know i should like the Deimos but dunno why but in the end i stuck with the Obscurus.

But i also don't need Horde Clear from my Force Sword. I need it to clear a bit of space so i have time to charge my Voidstrike.

[Arani]

Originally posted by Pride Lizard Pride Lizard:

I am here to spread Deimos force sword propaganda. I am here to spread Deimos propaganda. I am here to spread dei-
(I like the Deimos Force sword a lot. It's good! I don't think it's amazing against hordes but the damage feels higher than the standard one, so it handles it a bit better.)

This.

I'm 100% a Deimos fan. It was an instant favorite and the better I learned to use it the more fanatic I have come in my worship of it. :>

[NoSavy¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

Didnt realize you can do a quick poke and a foollow up power poke. Much better than powering it up.

[Narky]

Illisi for me, purely because it has a better attack sequence. The Deimos seems superfluous as the Psyker is already kitted out with the necessary means for dealing with armor. Yeah the Deimos' damage output is great, but I prefer being able to clear trash faster as the only way you lose in this game is if you're overwhelmed.

[OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle]

I'm team Illisi, but all force swords are so good right now. As a couple others mentioned, it's just the really good attack pattern that gets me. Being able to switch between assassin and vanguard attacks at will, at any point in the chain, just feels extremely good.

The Illisi special is pretty important against carapace targets especially. It would really struggle at them otherwise. Also, sword charge is a fast way to "farm" peril for certain broken things.

[EtRnitY]

The only build where you want illisy for cleave is with surge staff.

For everything else : deimos.

[Vicid]

Originally posted by EtRnitY:

The only case where you want illisy for cleave is with surge staff.

For everything else : deimos.

I'm liking it for my Shredder Staff

[DotNL]

i like to use illisi with surge staff and deimos with purgatus.

[YMD]

im just finding it weird that deimos light attack is a much higher damage than the heavy attack.
like how does that make sense?