Is this still a live service game?

[Foxrun]

We haven't had any new maps, aside from one that looks identical to everything we have already, since November. Besides bug patches, are they still going to implement new features? Or have they stopped further development?

Im trying to figure out if it's worth playing or if it's going to get shutdown soon.

[Foxrun]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Noob Helper:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Wagg:

It never was a live service game.

It has a stunning visual design, and the combat is enjoyable enough despite the repetition. As a live service game, Darktide is in this for the long haul, so there will be more content, updates, and DLC.Dec 15, 2022

Will Darktide be live service?
Darktide is a live-service game after all, which depends on getting regular waves of fresh items, missions, and other content.Jan 25, 2023

Just two example from a quick 10 second google search bud.

They've been saying that since Nov. The gameplay loop is nice but content updates are scarce.

[Foxrun]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von M4st0d0n:

And every live service is going to be shutdown, one day or the other.

Yeah like Avengers and Anthem. This has been out for less than a year.

[varicose 'vascular' vinny]

Nah. I wouldn't hold them to a road map either, because they'll proceed to just not do it (item system revamp, dedicated servers in VT2) or proceed to put things on it no one asked for (Vs mode) and then abandon development. So its probably better for your mental health if you just wait in the dark and feast on whatever tiny scraps of information they decide to grace us with like the rest of us.

[_oBSOLEte_]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Malidictus:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von M4st0d0n:

It will still be playable on console because they had to do the effort of deploying an offline mode, but can still be bricked on PC. Even hosted locally, there's still a server to authenicate, get the user data, inventory, microtransactions, etc.

Isn't that a Steam authentication, though? I seem to recall Fatshark building some sort of Steam hosting functionality, which is what led to all those lovely "backend errors". I thought that Vermintide 2 would be playable as long as Steamworks remains functional. Are you saying there's an additional Fatshark-specific authentication step?

Whatever it is they're using for Steam, Xbox and Playstation store. As long as there's no Gog version it can still be bricked. It's all the worst of a live service without the constant content release benefit.

[Q̴̡̼̽̒̕u̸̘̪̾͊̚͜e̴]

Seems like they're gonna do it like Vermintide
Maybe...
hopefully...
its kinda ass right now other than the first like 20 hours of gameplay.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Malidictus:

Seems like some people are willing to die the hill of semantics. Oh, well. Whatever else it might have been intended to be, Darktide was sold on the promise of post-launch content. Specifically, I remember promises of weapons, classes, missions and cosmetics. Fatshark have definitely underdelivered on all of those, though weapon variants do go some way towards making up that difference.

Take a look at the vermintide games. They delivered...it just took them actual *years*

[_oBSOLEte_]

It's not going to be like Vermintide tho. I've learnt my lesson with that game.

[These stairs go up!]

They delayed literally everything to fix the game.
They have given us no time frame of how long it will take the to fix the game.
They have given us no indication of what fixing the game means.
They have given us no time frame of when the promised content will come aside from prelaunch statements of every quarter which has now fallen short.

Its a live service game without the live service for now because they screwed up big time.

[Malidictus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von M4st0d0n:

Whatever it is they're using for Steam, Xbox and Playstation store. As long as there's no Gog version it can still be bricked. It's all the worst of a live service without the constant content release benefit.

Oh, yeah - there's DRM of some sort in there, no doubt. I more meant to say was that the game SHOULD be playable even if Fatshark stop investing in it. No "shutting down the servers" - at least not likely. With Darktide... everything is remotely hosted. They very much could decide that it's too expensive to run and shut down those servers. I still don't get why they chose to go down that route. And no, I don't buy it's because "VT2 players kept asking for dedicated servers". VT2 players kept asking for PvP and they never delivered that.

[Runic Tunic]

It's still technically live service, but it won't be in the sense of content drops if FS' history is anything to go by. They struggle with releasing new content frequently. Even for VT 1&2, which weren't live service, new content (even updates and patches) were pretty far apart.

FS said a ways back that fixing the game is the priority and all new content is essentially on hold til then. Outside of a few things that were supposed to be in on release, don't expect a lot of content dropping often.

[_oBSOLEte_]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Malidictus:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von M4st0d0n:

Whatever it is they're using for Steam, Xbox and Playstation store. As long as there's no Gog version it can still be bricked. It's all the worst of a live service without the constant content release benefit.

Oh, yeah - there's DRM of some sort in there, no doubt. I more meant to say was that the game SHOULD be playable even if Fatshark stop investing in it. No "shutting down the servers" - at least not likely. With Darktide... everything is remotely hosted. They very much could decide that it's too expensive to run and shut down those servers. I still don't get why they chose to go down that route. And no, I don't buy it's because "VT2 players kept asking for dedicated servers". VT2 players kept asking for PvP and they never delivered that.

Not just DRM. On PC userdata is serverside and once shut the game will be unplayable.

[J.P.]

i wouldn't say it's a dead service game but it's on a shallow dive of playerbase that's for sure and goodwill only goes so far when HUGE titles are coming out soon, Diablo IV, and just imagine when space marine 2 comes out...if that has co-op.....

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von J.P.:

i wouldn't say it's a dead service game but it's on a shallow dive of playerbase that's for sure and goodwill only goes so far when HUGE titles are coming out soon, Diablo IV, and just imagine when space marine 2 comes out...if that has co-op.....

Judging by Sabers previous game World War Zthere is a solid chance SM2 will have a co-op campaign as that did. SM1 didnt have a co-op campaign but it did have a co-op horde wave defense mode, as well as PvP.

I'm sceptical SM2 will actually be good for various reasons, but assuming it is, it would probably be a good idea for Darktide to do its soft relauch at least 1-2 months before SM2's release, or at least 3 months after its release so that player counts aren't conflicting too much and SM2's player count has dropped off.

[Medicles]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Runic Tunic:

It's still technically live service, but it won't be in the sense of content drops if FS' history is anything to go by. They struggle with releasing new content frequently. Even for VT 1&2, which weren't live service, new content (even updates and patches) were pretty far apart.

FS said a ways back that fixing the game is the priority and all new content is essentially on hold til then. Outside of a few things that were supposed to be in on release, don't expect a lot of content dropping often.

Vermintide 2 is a live service game.

[NormireX]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Wagg:

Destiny/2 = live service.
Marvels: Avengers = live service

Darktide != live service

Live service games run on the perpetuity of their main narrative as drivers for the campaign. The narrative in Darktide is fixed around the missions, it's just background.

I only consider online only games to be live service and by that standard Avengers was not a live service game as you could play entirely offline.