Teach me what is good about Eviscerator?

[Arani]

Ok so I finally after all this time got a near god roll Evi. It has 80% dmg, penetration and cleave, 61% shredder, 77% mobility. It has 20% unarmored and 25% flak dmg. And it has Savage Sweep 3 (+175% cleave) and Rampage 3 (+17.5% dmg). And I'm using Rising Conviction, so +20% dmg when max stacks.

And this thing STILL doesn't even 1-hit kill trash unless I get headshots on T5. It's literally just a slower, weaker version of basically any sword or even the hammer.

I want to like Evi so much, I really do. But this is not a chainsaw, it's just a baseball bat with a lot of noise. And while yes I can control hordes with it, what's the point when I could be using another melee weapon that doesn't "control" them but instead instantly kills them? What am I doing wrong here? Even the shredder sucks since even after all this time it still only randomly triggers and mostly is just lost in the hitreg hell and nothing happens. x.x

[KTVindicare]

It's a very versatile and balanced weapon. It has more cleave than the AntAxe, it has high single target AP burst with its rev'd up special attack (especially when you add bleeds to the mix) and it has a decent variety of swing combinations for any combo of enemies you're facing. Its stagger component especially on its light attacks is pretty good too.

There's no enemy type that it struggles with. It has good horde clear, solid AP, amazing damage vs Monstrosities and bosses, its rev'd up special can one shot most elites/specials.

The way I think of it is a lot like the melee version of the Veteran's Helbore Lasguns. It's kind of a pain to learn to use, and other weapons are better in different situations, but I don't think any melee weapon has the pure versatility that the Eviscerator does.

[Loot]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από KTVindicare:

It's a very versatile and balanced weapon. It has more cleave than the AntAxe.

Sadly, it has damage limit of 3 enemies per swing. The rest just get knocked around. :c

[KTVindicare]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Loot Repeat:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από KTVindicare:

It's a very versatile and balanced weapon. It has more cleave than the AntAxe.

Sadly, it has damage limit of 3 enemies per swing. The rest just get knocked around. :c

Which is still very useful. Any enemy that's knocked down can't hurt you. Just to add on to this point though, the AntAxe has pretty horrific cleave if it doesn't have Brutal Momentum as one of its blessing slots. The Eviscerator doesn't need any blessings to have its baseline cleave and crowd control to be solid, but it can be improved with blessings to have better cleave/CC in addition to the other options available on the weapon like Bloodletter, Momentum or others.

[Who trains thy hands for war?]

It's a cleaver; don't get hung up on not 1 shotting trash (though you will after rising conviction), it is amazing for all sorts of mixed groups

In fact rising conviction isn't even strictly necessary

[BigJ]

It's probably the currently weakest weapon on the zealot, ain't bad but it just falls compared to everyone else. If you want horde kill you got heavy swords. If you want cc you got crusher. If you want cc and damage mix you got th. If you want to 1 shot carapace, you got chaxe. If you want a bit of both, you got chsword or caxe.

[Arani]

The Antaxe with just a mid tier BM (as opposed to what I have here, the very near perfect Evi with ideal perks and blessings afaik) is already enough to kill the horde far more efficiently, while also being much more mobile. I can't really think of a single thing the Evi does better, aside from its ability to sidestep muties while shredding to hit them for massive damage as they continue to run by. But that's hardly a huge advantage. And really, it feels like the hammer does the same job: swats things around while killing them on its second hit (or first hit headshots). Except the hammer does way, *way* more damage against biggies. I don't even have a Slaughterer & Headtaker hammer yet, could be with those it will actually 1-hit cleave through trash?

Pretty much the only advantage Evi has over those two is against the assassination boss shields.

But I guess my point here is that, I always go back to trying the Evi when I get a slightly better one to test if this is the one that finally goes over that threshold of being able to kill regular trash with a single swing. I'd heard of that cap of 3 kills per swing before but wasn't sure it was true. I guess I'm believing it now. And now that I have this, I finally realize the Evi unless its buffed will never be a weapon worth using. Like, it's not "bad" bad. Sure you can make it work. It's just objectively worse than all the good options like a heavy sword, Devil's Claw IV, antaxe with BM, TH... and it's a shame.

[Who trains thy hands for war?]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από BigJ:

It's probably the currently weakest weapon on the zealot, ain't bad but it just falls compared to everyone else. If you want horde kill you got heavy swords. If you want cc you got crusher. If you want cc and damage mix you got th. If you want to 1 shot carapace, you got chaxe. If you want a bit of both, you got chsword or caxe.

That's exactly it, it's probably actually the best weapon for Zealot because of its soloing capability, and that it's an all rounder

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Arani:

I'd heard of that cap of 3 kills per swing before but wasn't sure it was true. I guess I'm believing it now.

The first heavy sweep hits almost 5 enemies by default. Savage Sweep enables the rest.
All you guys have to do is mouseover the Cleave stat

Are you guys block canceling to pick your moves. As posted before, against horde you heavy sweep + light (+ optional second light) or push attack + light as needed. Spam overheads against random scabs and traitor guard, and heavy sweep etc against groups of them.

The +impact on 3 hit talent sends things flying out of the way

[varicose 'vascular' vinny]

Things get cut in half at the waist which is cool. The other 2 chains gore less.

[KTVindicare]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Buff Carnage:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από BigJ:

It's probably the currently weakest weapon on the zealot, ain't bad but it just falls compared to everyone else. If you want horde kill you got heavy swords. If you want cc you got crusher. If you want cc and damage mix you got th. If you want to 1 shot carapace, you got chaxe. If you want a bit of both, you got chsword or caxe.

That's exactly it, it's probably actually the best weapon for Zealot because of its soloing capability, and that it's an all rounder

This is exactly why I like it. My loadout has the Eviscerator paired with the MK12 Lasgun. It's one of the best loadouts for just being able to handle any and every situation. I have other loadouts that are balanced around having one extreme weapon covered by another, like my other favorite Heavy Sword/Bolter combination, but even that has a weakness in that it can't handle shooter packs or it runs out of ammo quickly.

Eviscerator/MK12 doesn't have weaknesses. It's just not as good in token situations as other loadouts are, but no other loadout I've used has all bases covered quite like this one does.

[Arani]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Buff Carnage:

That's exactly it, it's probably actually the best weapon for Zealot because of its soloing capability, and that it's an all rounder

This is exactly why I like it. My loadout has the Eviscerator paired with the MK12 Lasgun. It's one of the best loadouts for just being able to handle any and every situation. I have other loadouts that are balanced around having one extreme weapon covered by another, like my other favorite Heavy Sword/Bolter combination, but even that has a weakness in that it can't handle shooter packs or it runs out of ammo quickly.

Eviscerator/MK12 doesn't have weaknesses. It's just not as good in token situations as other loadouts are, but no other loadout I've used has all bases covered quite like this one does.

Fair point, I tend to favor builds like that too. I guess I just need to work on my mentality about wanting the heavy chainsword to actually feel like a heavy chainsword. xD

[Loot]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Buff Carnage:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Arani:

I'd heard of that cap of 3 kills per swing before but wasn't sure it was true. I guess I'm believing it now.

The first heavy sweep hits almost 5 enemies by default. Savage Sweep enables the rest.
All you guys have to do is mouseover the Cleave stat

It hits 5, but has a damage limit of 3 enemies per swing. The rest just get staggered.

[Al3x!el]

now compare it to the force sword's psyker got access to..

weilding a massive 2 h power driven chainsword while beeing a melee fanatic class with traits to do so is so much weaker than playing a glasscanon with a little empowered dagger that destroys everything with 1-2 hits.

Like playing V2 or V1 theses devs are so unable to get the stuff balanced.

[Narky]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Scato Trahho:

now compare it to the force sword's psyker got access to..

weilding a massive 2 h power driven chainsword while beeing a melee fanatic class with traits to do so is so much weaker than playing a glasscanon with a little empowered dagger that destroys everything with 1-2 hits.

Like playing V2 or V1 theses devs are so unable to get the stuff balanced.

The only issue is the Psyker falls apart like wet rice paper if they slip up once in the thick of a bad Horde in Damnation. The lowest Toughness/Health pool pretty much means getting hung up in a bad position usually ends with death.

[ArterialSpray1066]

Because at least 1/2 of zealots are doing Sororitas Cosplay and its iconically associated with them, as well as the ecclesiarchy in general... and even beyond that massive chain-sword has always been a popular 40k choice.

So its got great theme, and is serviceable as a versatile weapon good (not amazing, but a solid workhorse) for specials and hoards alike.
Why would it not be popular?

[Arani]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Scato Trahho:

now compare it to the force sword's psyker got access to..

weilding a massive 2 h power driven chainsword while beeing a melee fanatic class with traits to do so is so much weaker than playing a glasscanon with a little empowered dagger that destroys everything with 1-2 hits.

Like playing V2 or V1 theses devs are so unable to get the stuff balanced.

Well the Power Sword is even worse, you still get 3 swings on it each killing 10 of almost everything. With chest shots if you have even a poor version of Slaughterer on it. And this is kinda my issue yes.

Evi is *the* class weapon (well one of 2) of *the* melee class in the game. And it's just so, very, weak. On top of being slow and bulky.