For the love of the Emperor redesign the chain weapons.

[C.G Kitten]

They are in dire need of redesign and whomever was involved in their prior iterations banned from participating in said redesign as they clearly have the intelligence of the average servitor.

Youtuber Reginald just posted another breakdown of all chain weapons and why they feel so weak,lacklustre and poorly designed. Take a look and hopefully Fatshark might reassess their very poorly received design philosophy for these weapons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMgxzV_apzo

[AncientRaig]

I think the biggest outlier is actually the Chainsword. The Chain Axe is a monster with the right blessings. It's my main Damnation melee on my Zealot, with Slaughterer and Headtaker you can do work. The same with the Eviscerator, even if it is way too small and doesn't have anywhere near enough Cleave for a two-handed chainsword bigger than an adult man with a power field in it. Neither weapon is as easy to use, or as effective, as the Antax axe or any of the other "meta" weapons, but you're at least not throwing a run by using them if you have a good setup and know your attack patterns.

The Chainsword though... by the Emperor, when was the last time anyone saw someone actually running the regular Chainsword? I used it maybe once or twice when leveling my Veteran for the first time and all I remember was that even on Malice it felt bad. The attack patterns aren't good, the damage isn't good, it has nothing going for it.

[varicose 'vascular' vinny]

Chainsword has really nice animation cancels, that's it. Eviscerator needs a perfect 80 damage and shredder roll with T4 maniacs to nail a damnation mutie. Chain axe has 3 of the best blessings in the game. I do enjoy these more than the awful hit reg and recoil on Thammer though. Much more mobile shredding the air then taking hit stun from a phantom hammer thunk. Either way wtf is the point when heavy sword can one shot a mutie with just ult headtaker and no lock up? Or Illisi one shotting a Rager and a bunch of horde.

[Sin]

I would like them to be more destinct in what they are doing .. and less clunky to use. Difficult is fine, but it is clunky. That's not fine.
On the other hand.. have been running the evicerator for most of my zealot play time and it is not a terrible weapon. Good? No.... hell no.... but it is "useable" (tm) .. just a far cry from what it should be and it hurts to see some random hatchet outperform it in every aspect.

[Solus]

Are chain weapons just viable in Damn +? With the right blessings and perks yes.

Are they been totally overshadowed by mere simpletons' weapons like combat/tactical axe, combat blade? Definitely yes.

Are they a total disgrace to the iconic status they wield in the 40k lore? Also definitely yes.

'Nough said.

[Auftragsmoerder]

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namely heavy evis

Please do not call it this. It is no heavy eviscerator. It is not even an eviscerator. It is at best a heavy chainsword - and honestly feels just like it.

It is certainly no power weapon as tall as its user capable of ripping and tearing a tank.

[Bovril Brigadier]

Problem with the chain weapons is on higher difficulties they are overly reliant on blessings to be powerful. Hell same can be said with most weapons in game, they feel balanced around one or two powerful blessings and to hell with everything else. Because of absolute RNG worse than Korean skinner box MMO's in getting blessings, well people who want to rip and tear with chain weapons are highly unlikely to ever get a chance to enjoy them.

[Selunevis]

Seems like a skill issue to me.

[puzzlefox]

Diposting pertama kali oleh AncientRaig:

I think the biggest outlier is actually the Chainsword. The Chain Axe is a monster with the right blessings. It's my main Damnation melee on my Zealot, with Slaughterer and Headtaker you can do work. The same with the Eviscerator, even if it is way too small and doesn't have anywhere near enough Cleave for a two-handed chainsword bigger than an adult man with a power field in it. Neither weapon is as easy to use, or as effective, as the Antax axe or any of the other "meta" weapons, but you're at least not throwing a run by using them if you have a good setup and know your attack patterns.

The Chainsword though... by the Emperor, when was the last time anyone saw someone actually running the regular Chainsword? I used it maybe once or twice when leveling my Veteran for the first time and all I remember was that even on Malice it felt bad. The attack patterns aren't good, the damage isn't good, it has nothing going for it.

Chainaxe main, huh? I get excited every time I see a zealot bring one into HISTG5. I want so badly to see someone kick ass with it to prove that it can be done. Still waiting. But I will give slaught/hdtkr a try.

I actually feel like the assault chainsword is one of zealots most usable chain weapons. Heavy evis is my favorite of the chain weapons, but the chainsword is pretty decent with the right setup. With lowhp zealot with attack speed feats, a chainsword with shred4 is best used by spamming light attacks, and only heavy when using the special against high HP targets. Jury is still out on which second blessing works best though. Ignore hitmas on crit is what I use, but headtaker might be better.

[AncientRaig]

Diposting pertama kali oleh puzzlefox:

Diposting pertama kali oleh AncientRaig:

I think the biggest outlier is actually the Chainsword. The Chain Axe is a monster with the right blessings. It's my main Damnation melee on my Zealot, with Slaughterer and Headtaker you can do work. The same with the Eviscerator, even if it is way too small and doesn't have anywhere near enough Cleave for a two-handed chainsword bigger than an adult man with a power field in it. Neither weapon is as easy to use, or as effective, as the Antax axe or any of the other "meta" weapons, but you're at least not throwing a run by using them if you have a good setup and know your attack patterns.

The Chainsword though... by the Emperor, when was the last time anyone saw someone actually running the regular Chainsword? I used it maybe once or twice when leveling my Veteran for the first time and all I remember was that even on Malice it felt bad. The attack patterns aren't good, the damage isn't good, it has nothing going for it.

Chainaxe main, huh? I get excited every time I see a zealot bring one into HISTG5. I want so badly to see someone kick ass with it to prove that it can be done. Still waiting. But I will give slaught/hdtkr a try.

I actually feel like the assault chainsword is one of zealots most usable chain weapons. Heavy evis is my favorite of the chain weapons, but the chainsword is pretty decent with the right setup. With lowhp zealot with attack speed feats, a chainsword with shred4 is best used by spamming light attacks, and only heavy when using the special against high HP targets. Jury is still out on which second blessing works best though. Ignore hitmas on crit is what I use, but headtaker might be better.

If you want, hit me up sometime! I'm a little rusty at Zealot, but I can probably still do it. The ChAxe is one of those weapons where you more or less have to go full offense to get the full effect because it thrives on high stacks of its Blessings+Rising Conviction. It's a little slow to start, but once you get it going you turn into a Khorne Berserker.

As far as Blessings go, anything that gives you +Power is usually best in slot because more Power gives you more raw damage, more Cleave, and more Impact.

[puzzlefox]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh puzzlefox:

Chainaxe main, huh? I get excited every time I see a zealot bring one into HISTG5. I want so badly to see someone kick ass with it to prove that it can be done. Still waiting. But I will give slaught/hdtkr a try.

I actually feel like the assault chainsword is one of zealots most usable chain weapons. Heavy evis is my favorite of the chain weapons, but the chainsword is pretty decent with the right setup. With lowhp zealot with attack speed feats, a chainsword with shred4 is best used by spamming light attacks, and only heavy when using the special against high HP targets. Jury is still out on which second blessing works best though. Ignore hitmas on crit is what I use, but headtaker might be better.

If you want, hit me up sometime! I'm a little rusty at Zealot, but I can probably still do it. The ChAxe is one of those weapons where you more or less have to go full offense to get the full effect because it thrives on high stacks of its Blessings+Rising Conviction. It's a little slow to start, but once you get it going you turn into a Khorne Berserker.

As far as Blessings go, anything that gives you +Power is usually best in slot because more Power gives you more raw damage, more Cleave, and more Impact.

Sure, I sent a FR. I mostly play in the evenings EST. I'll be on later tonight. Hope to see you around!

[AncientRaig]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh AncientRaig:

If you want, hit me up sometime! I'm a little rusty at Zealot, but I can probably still do it. The ChAxe is one of those weapons where you more or less have to go full offense to get the full effect because it thrives on high stacks of its Blessings+Rising Conviction. It's a little slow to start, but once you get it going you turn into a Khorne Berserker.

As far as Blessings go, anything that gives you +Power is usually best in slot because more Power gives you more raw damage, more Cleave, and more Impact.

Sure, I sent a FR. I mostly play in the evenings EST. I'll be on later tonight. Hope to see you around!

Accepted. I won't be around tonight, but maybe tomorrow. I'm also EST so it shouldn't be too hard. I just ran a Hi5Shock to shake the rust off, could've gone a little cleaner thanks to some bad luck with the game dumping several Gunners and Reapers in the start of the mission and our late-join Vet somehow spawning with no ammo, but the ChAxe still pulls its weight. Score was a bit low because I run Holy Revenant and I think the scoreboard addon mod I use considers its healing to be medstation healing. https://i.gyazo.com/967ee0a0bca7e68e8463861c350ca327.png

[Who trains thy hands for war?]

Eviscerator is S tier, just boring

Chain Axe is very useful for smashing a path through crowds with its mass and stamina efficiency

1h Chain sword is fun

[Who trains thy hands for war?]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Who trains thy hands for war?:

Eviscerator is S tier, just boring

Chain Axe is very useful for smashing a path through crowds with its mass and stamina efficiency

1h Chain sword is fun

You gotta learn to block cancel to pick desired attack patterns

[Arani]

I'm all ears for any proper Evi / Chain Axe builds. Like seriously, give me the minimum stats, perks, blessings on how to meet meaningful breakpoints on T5, and how you make them work. I want to learn, and I really really want to make these weapons work. I want to be wrong, and proven that this is not something that's wrong with the game but just my own skills being too bad. Because I really want to learn, and to make use out of these weapons I want to like so much.

But sadly, I've had an Evi forever with 80% dmg/pen/cleave and 61% shred, 20% unarmored & 25% infested, Savage Sweep 3 and Rampage 3. It's much worse at horde clear than my AntAxe or Heavy Sword IX (which haven't even specced for unarmed/infested), still worse at special clear than either, and only barely better at elites than the Heavy Sword. On top of it all, it comes with all the chain weapon problems: Sometimes it flat out refuses to "stick" to an enemy when revved, which when combined with an ult literally just wasted a 30-second cooldown that was supposed to guarantee a kill into a mostly whiff instead. And other times it will stick to an enemy, highjack my camera, and force me to take hits where none were necessary. None of the other weapons do this.

Meanwhile the Eviscerator requires a mastery of combining different movesets from heavy -> light & repeat to heavy -> push attack & repeat, to light -> heavy (for headshots) and all the dynamic combinations thereof, and its sluggishness still demands constant dodging, pushing, and push attacks to manage a basic horde. All to be a fraction as effective as an Antax / Heavy Sword would be by simply spamming LMB and nothing else. When we compare an Evi to a Heavy Sword / AntAxe, an Evi is quite literally a question of a far more perfect gear roll, perks and blessings, and 10x more effort and skill, all for less than 50% of the same output. It's objectively worse in very nearly every single thing it does.

The Chain Axe is even worse. It's basically another version of AntAxe. If AntAxe had a worse moveset, far, far worse cleave, and was prone to getting stuck and highjacking your camera and disabling your block/dodge on random trash all the time, for no reason at all.

These weapons desperately need a buff.

[Steinar]

Diposting pertama kali oleh puzzlefox:

Chainaxe main, huh? I get excited every time I see a zealot bring one into HISTG5. I want so badly to see someone kick ass with it to prove that it can be done. Still waiting. But I will give slaught/hdtkr a try.

You should play with one of the players in my group then. He kicks ass with Chain Axe / Eviscerator. Always awesome to play with because you know he has a unique strength in the team.