Helbore lasgun

[Cosmophase]

Is awful. Let me get this straight - the regular Kantrael MG XII does 288 per shot, but then the helbore XII, a weapon that CHARGES the shot, only does an extra 50 damage? Who was the complete genius who designed this? Just scrap the weapon because on higher difficulties this thing is a huge hindrance and shouldn't even exist.

[doki]

you can 1 shot or 2 shot every elite enemy in damnation, maybe you need to hit more headshots or get a better a build...

[KTVindicare]

You're not wrong, but you're missing something important. Helbore Lasguns can penetrate Carapace armor and effectively deal with Crushers in only a couple of shots. An Infantry Lasgun CANNOT do this, they deal a pitiful amount of damage vs Carapace armor and ONLY on a weakspot shot.

So what you're getting out of a Helbore Lasgun is a worse performing Infantry Lasgun that can effectively kill ALL enemy targets whereas the Infantry Lasguns cannot.

That's the trade off. Bringing a Helbore Lasgun means you don't need to bring an armor piercing Melee weapon to deal with Crushers which frees you up for a Power Sword for controlling Hordes. If you try wielding a Power Sword with an Infantry Lasgun you will be next to helpless when a Crusher pack shows up, and they WILL show up on Damnation missions.

[Hieronymus]

Hellbore is amazing, the only one I don't use is the MK3. The MK 2 has a higher rate of fire than the Kantrael even when charging shots and it has the option to magdump if necesary. Its also one of the most ammo efficient guns out there, almost never needing a pickup. Its trash vs crushers though. The MK 1 is less ammo efficient and doesn't have the great ROF but has more penetration, with voley fire and the ogryn feat you can 2 tap crushers in the face with it.

[varicose 'vascular' vinny]

Lucius lasguns can pierce targets with their charged shots. With the insane DMGR of Unwavering Focus and the constant refreshing of my ult I can tank damage in horde just hipfiring at the pee-pee soaked targets the game is telling me should die first. Its a laughably easy setup I never see anyone using. And I drill bosses and groups of ogryns without a sweat, which the K12 doesn't do (boss damage is alright though). Totally underrated gun atm. They just need to fix the sway on the Lucius MK2, because its already mostly a K12 anyway with its lower armor pen.

[Pitviper]

Nope.

The Helbore, especially the Mk2, is a beast. The Onslaught blessing, especially ranks 3 or 4, drastically increase your fire rate. On higher difficulties, you WILL be shooting at a very large amount of targets. Being able to charge each subsequent shots faster until it caps (and it will cap quick and STAY capped) lets you reliably shoot up large groups of enemy gunners just as fast as a Kantrael MK12. Even better, the Helbore actually does something against Carapace. Shooting a crusher with the Kantrael does either single digits worth of damage or just over 10. The Helbore will deal several hundred.

A Sharpshooter headshotting a Crusher can down it within 4-5 hits on Damnation difficulty. Slightly more if you're having to hit bodyshots for whatever reason. Bear in mind, that's if you are the ONLY person damaging it. In an actual fight, anyone helping you will make it die faster.

Better, the Helbore actually can over penetrate enemies and hit more than one guy per shot if they're lined up. It isn't an amazing damage increase, but hey, I'd take "hit two targets" over "hit one target" if I had to choose.

As with all lasguns, it is also extremely ammo efficient. It takes me a very long time to finally burn through enough ammunition that I need to find an ammo box, freeing up ammo for teammates to use. Even a small ammo can keep you going for a while.

My Helbore stats currently are: +20% damage to Flak and Maniac enemies. Onslaught and Sustained Fire. I'd personally swap out Sustained Fire for something else, but this works for me just fine.

Be sure to test weapons in the Meat grinder before dismissing them. The stats you see on the weapon don't give you the full story, unless you dig into the deeper menus or test them yourselves. Or look them up online.

[puzzlefox]

Helbore is good, but the crappy ironsights suck. Fortunately you can alleviate that somewhat with mods. But the thing I can't stand the most about the helbore is its awful draw time. Like, why the hell does it take so long to draw and ready it.

I swear, it's like FS wanted to make for gd sure no one would be quickscoping with this thing. Between lack of scope, horrible draw time, and if you click/hold prior to readying it, the game just ignores the click. I like the helbore, but all of these things make it too annoying to use for me.

[Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am]

Agree, awful. Pitiful damage, comparing to constant need of holding and charging shots, disgusting rate of fire in the end and it even not oneshots elites with fully charged shots.

This weapon requires all your quick memory and concentration to just fart a bit in front of enemy and abuse you with horrible comfort of using.

People who say "Cool, you can 4-5 fully charged headshot crusher, so you can kill pack of crushers" - You dont. You have no time for that in real game. Especially hi-intensity maps.

[Cosmophase]

Originally posted by Pitviper:

Nope.

The Helbore, especially the Mk2, is a beast. The Onslaught blessing, especially ranks 3 or 4, drastically increase your fire rate. On higher difficulties, you WILL be shooting at a very large amount of targets. Being able to charge each subsequent shots faster until it caps (and it will cap quick and STAY capped) lets you reliably shoot up large groups of enemy gunners just as fast as a Kantrael MK12. Even better, the Helbore actually does something against Carapace. Shooting a crusher with the Kantrael does either single digits worth of damage or just over 10. The Helbore will deal several hundred.

A Sharpshooter headshotting a Crusher can down it within 4-5 hits on Damnation difficulty. Slightly more if you're having to hit bodyshots for whatever reason. Bear in mind, that's if you are the ONLY person damaging it. In an actual fight, anyone helping you will make it die faster.

Better, the Helbore actually can over penetrate enemies and hit more than one guy per shot if they're lined up. It isn't an amazing damage increase, but hey, I'd take "hit two targets" over "hit one target" if I had to choose.

As with all lasguns, it is also extremely ammo efficient. It takes me a very long time to finally burn through enough ammunition that I need to find an ammo box, freeing up ammo for teammates to use. Even a small ammo can keep you going for a while.

My Helbore stats currently are: +20% damage to Flak and Maniac enemies. Onslaught and Sustained Fire. I'd personally swap out Sustained Fire for something else, but this works for me just fine.

Be sure to test weapons in the Meat grinder before dismissing them. The stats you see on the weapon don't give you the full story, unless you dig into the deeper menus or test them yourselves. Or look them up online.

Originally posted by puzzlefox:

Helbore is good, but the crappy ironsights suck. Fortunately you can alleviate that somewhat with mods. But the thing I can't stand the most about the helbore is its awful draw time. Like, why the hell does it take so long to draw and ready it.

I swear, it's like FS wanted to make for gd sure no one would be quickscoping with this thing. Between lack of scope, horrible draw time, and if you click/hold prior to readying it, the game just ignores the click. I like the helbore, but all of these things make it too annoying to use for me.

There's actually a weapon attachments mod out now and you can put different scopes on the helbore.

[XIX Victorious Aut Mortis]

Originally posted by Cosmophase:

Originally posted by Pitviper:

Nope.

The Helbore, especially the Mk2, is a beast. The Onslaught blessing, especially ranks 3 or 4, drastically increase your fire rate. On higher difficulties, you WILL be shooting at a very large amount of targets. Being able to charge each subsequent shots faster until it caps (and it will cap quick and STAY capped) lets you reliably shoot up large groups of enemy gunners just as fast as a Kantrael MK12. Even better, the Helbore actually does something against Carapace. Shooting a crusher with the Kantrael does either single digits worth of damage or just over 10. The Helbore will deal several hundred.

A Sharpshooter headshotting a Crusher can down it within 4-5 hits on Damnation difficulty. Slightly more if you're having to hit bodyshots for whatever reason. Bear in mind, that's if you are the ONLY person damaging it. In an actual fight, anyone helping you will make it die faster.

Better, the Helbore actually can over penetrate enemies and hit more than one guy per shot if they're lined up. It isn't an amazing damage increase, but hey, I'd take "hit two targets" over "hit one target" if I had to choose.

As with all lasguns, it is also extremely ammo efficient. It takes me a very long time to finally burn through enough ammunition that I need to find an ammo box, freeing up ammo for teammates to use. Even a small ammo can keep you going for a while.

My Helbore stats currently are: +20% damage to Flak and Maniac enemies. Onslaught and Sustained Fire. I'd personally swap out Sustained Fire for something else, but this works for me just fine.

Be sure to test weapons in the Meat grinder before dismissing them. The stats you see on the weapon don't give you the full story, unless you dig into the deeper menus or test them yourselves. Or look them up online.

Originally posted by puzzlefox:

Helbore is good, but the crappy ironsights suck. Fortunately you can alleviate that somewhat with mods. But the thing I can't stand the most about the helbore is its awful draw time. Like, why the hell does it take so long to draw and ready it.

I swear, it's like FS wanted to make for gd sure no one would be quickscoping with this thing. Between lack of scope, horrible draw time, and if you click/hold prior to readying it, the game just ignores the click. I like the helbore, but all of these things make it too annoying to use for me.

There's actually a weapon attachments mod out now and you can put different scopes on the helbore.

issue is the Hellborne and the definetion of this game version of scopes isn't it, what it is a holosight at best which is pretty crap with maybe 1.2 magnifcation with 1.3-1.4 when you use your active ability.

[puzzlefox]

Originally posted by Cosmophase:

There's actually a weapon attachments mod out now and you can put different scopes on the helbore.

I've heard about that, a friend of mine uses it but he said it doesn't let you swap scopes (like, putting the ILG sight on a helbore.) Does it let you do that?

Only reason I haven't ran that mod is because I hear it's very crash-ey.

[RykerZzZ]

have a tissue for your skill issue, jokes aside hellbores are great harder to use then some other stuff but they'r great land more headshots and use proper blessings build more or less boss deleting with proper talents. the biggest CON is pullout time using your F to get it out faster helps or just having a proper frontline that lets you have it out more often

ps i wish the bayonet did more weakspot damage

[Dr. Merkwürdiglieben]

My only problem with that gun is the sights.

With a scope of some kind, it would be among my main guns.

[Dr. Merkwürdiglieben]

Originally posted by puzzlefox:

Originally posted by Cosmophase:

There's actually a weapon attachments mod out now and you can put different scopes on the helbore.

I've heard about that, a friend of mine uses it but he said it doesn't let you swap scopes (like, putting the ILG sight on a helbore.) Does it let you do that?

Only reason I haven't ran that mod is because I hear it's very crash-ey.

The mod isn't finished yet. I would wait for the 1.0 release.

[wifeburger]

Helbore 2 with 70%+ in damage, stopping power, and charge rate is a direct upgrade to the MK12 in every single way lmfao.

[varicose 'vascular' vinny]

Originally posted by RykerZzZ:

ps i wish the bayonet did more weakspot damage

Most of the gun bashes should have been buffed along with the rippergun's bayonet. Like the stupid moveset attached to GG taking up your M1.